RF 433Mhz support??

Hi all! I made a quick search in the discussions but could not find anything related to RF for NEEO.

i have a couple of RF devices at home.

1) motorized projector screen

2) boxee box (don't use it that much any more)

3) a couple of NEXA wall plugs.

If i remember correctly, neeo brain/remote will not have the hardware to support RF devices at this moments. The neeo team answered me a long time ago that many requests for this had been made and that they might develop something for the future to make this supported.

i wonder if that is still the case and if I should simply forget to have any control of my projector screen and wall plus at this point.

/Oskar 

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  • Oskar Haldemar

    As far as I know, the current hardware does not support 433 MHz. Maybe it could be achieved in the future with the help of a dongle. I suggest you put the request in the idea voting section.

  • On the "work with Neeo" page they supported Intertechno devices.

    These  are RF 433Mhz devices. So there must be a 433Mhz Hardware on Board.

    I have 2 neeo combos ordered because i have many intertechno devices.

  • For such questions the best is to check the specifications on the NEEO Brain page. Unfortunately Paul Spee is right, with the current hardware we can not support RF @ 433 MHz directly.

    The Intertechno devices listed on works with NEEO are the very few ones from Intertechnio which allow IR control.

    As for the moment we do not have an adapter ready and it is not coming soon. But there are always solutions to get this working, I have for example seen projects which are WiFi-to-433 adapters based on Arduinos, these could then be controlled with our SDK. There are also z-wave to 433 bridges if I remember correctly (i.e this one), but we have not tested any of these. There are pretty cheap adapters out there which might be worth checking out, for example this one.

    • Patrick , the devices from intertechno listet in Works  with Neeo are only rf-devices. Here in Germany the device Intertechno cmr-300 can only controller by 433Mhz. 

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      Horst Krohn I will have our device driver team check that again. Usually when we have listed them, we do have tested IR command sets.

  • Patrick  thank you for clearing this up! 

    seems to me that RF (especially the 433Mhz) is broadly used within consumer electronics and media equipment and i wonder why this did not make it to the final product? 

    Its a bit unfortunate that I still have to keep the controller for my lights (might buy something that works with neeo instead) and for my projector screen, although I will have a look at your recommendations to find a work-around.

    Thanks!

    looking forward to my neeo!

  • I am not sure if this has ever been considered, but as far as I know we have never specified this possibility. I am sure we could work out a solution by making use of an additional device/adapter and our SDK.

  • There are multiple ways to get 433mhz devices supported. I use homey for this together with my NEEO integration. Other solution are rfxcom on domoticz and probably a lot more.  

  • Horst Krohn

    I have just checked our devices again:

    ITLR-300 is infrared controlled.

    But I completely agree with you for the PA3-1000. This one is gone from our DB.

    The following devices require an infrared adapter:

    ITS-50
    YCT-100
    CMR-300

    Now the problem is, these adapters are mostly not in production anymore. But for all the people still owning one, I want to let them stay in the DB. But I'm gonna add a warning regarding the adapter.

    In the meantime we are going to talk about it here in office. Maybe they will disappear completely.

  • Also glad I found this one! We've got a few RF controlled outlets (these here) that I was afraid would forever have to use their own remote! (Ok, not forever, but long enough...🙂) It might be a little while before I can order new devices, but that Sonoff bridge looks like it might be a good start. An RF to z-wave adapter sounds even better to me, but I think that one might be out of my budget for a little while.

    It appears the Sonoff bridge makes it so that RF devices can be controlled by a phone app (From what I read, it looks like it has its own app?) How would NEEO control it from there? Through the SDK?

  • Vidya Travis I honestly do not have any experience with that Sonoff device, I don't even know if there is an SDK available or if they support all RF devices or just specific ones. At the moment I don't find the time to dive deeper into that topic.

    It would be very cool if somebody could give this device a try, that would be a "pretty cheap adapter" if it works out.

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      Patrick I'll see what I can do in the near future. :) Unfortunately, the way this year has gone, I haven't had nearly as much time to brush up my programming skills, so I'm not sure I'd be as helpful bridging the gap between Sonoff and NEEO, but I certainly wouldn't mind trying!

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      Vidya Travis No problem, I am sure sooner or later somebody will try. I do not have any RF controlled devices at home, so I can't really test that.

  • Hi all,

    Any news on how to use a Sonoff adapter with the NEEO?

    Thanks

  • There is loads of information available for Sonoff and might be reasonable(cheap) way to bridge rf with NEEO

    https://www.itead.cc/wiki/Sonoff_RF_Bridge_433

    Perhaps someone could write custom firmware to make it work with NEEO.

    • Girts Burnauskis Sonoff device seems hard/impossible to find in the US market (other than from China). itead.cc and Amazon have it as as out of stock / unavailable, including this bad review https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/cr/B074R9XRG9/ref=mw_dp_cr Not as versatile as domoticz but really inexpensive. Would love to see if it worked, if I could find it.

  • Niels de Klerk said:
    rfxcom on domoticz

    For anyone interested, this YouTube https://youtu.be/QEjFyPi7OTg explained rfxcom and domoticz . I had no clue about either, nor about raspberry pi, which was demo'd with domoticz in the subsequent video. Niels de Klerk  It didn't seem like there was a remote control in this set up, is that right? So you tie in NEEO as the remote?

    • Bill Kaczmarek in this YouTube setup Domoticz does the 433mhz handeling.

      you can make NEEO to work with Domoticz and have a full working solution. Downside is that a lot of custom scripting and a bit of Linux knowledge is needed. So not ideal for anyone. As far as I know there isn’t a neeo -> domoticz driver at the moment so one need to be created.

       

      Using homey is the easiest way. I’ve created a full implementation between homey and neeo that you can use without any coding just a few clicks. This solution is a bit more pricey then the raspberry pi/domoticz approach but also returns more features.

       

      I am also using some 433mhz devices in my automation. all my lights are HUE. As a result my zwave network is really small, some places in my setup are therefore hard to reach with zwave and thus I’ve chosen to use these cheaper 433mhz devices. My doorbell and garden lights are on 433mhz and are working together in my setup.

      Im sure that there are more roads that lead to a nice solution but these two I have experience with.

      hope this helps.

    • Niels de Klerk Thanks again Niels. I appreciate all your help... but have more questions anyway 😶

      Does the rfxcom work with homey as sketched below?   

      I have 433 RF devices that aren't known brands, so not easy to control. (you may recall my awning is one, and I have some other existing COCO things).  The exciting thing about the RFXCOM and the SONOFF BRIDGE is the prayer that they will see my signal and mimic it - thus giving me the first hope of control.   You suggest Homey - If it works with rfxcom, does it do what domoticz seemed to do in the YouTube video, namely to see the broadcast signal, identify it, and allow control?   Btw I ordered a Sonoff Bridge from China, so by January I'll be able to see if Sonoff will successfully mimic my signal (no, i'm not holding my breath... but I am hoping! 😉)

      Thanks again!

    • Bill Kaczmarek best thing to do is to crawl the Internet and see if the devices are supported by any of these solutions. As far as I know it’s not just copying and replaying a bunch of frequencies. Chances are that the devices that you want to have supported are known as other brands as well so also take a look at that.

    • Niels de Klerk Thanks. haven't had any luck with that... best guess is that the barebones remote is supplied by http://en.dooya.com/ But vendor ( Awntech.com ) says he doesn't know any more who the supplier was. (I wrote dooya.com trying to get confirmation and they haven't replied.) Probably I'll first need to replace the control with something that works in the US and is more capable of being controlled.

    • Niels de Klerk 

       

      Hi Niels. 

      When you say that you use Homey with NEEO, how do you do that?

      There is no device to download??

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    • Jan Pontoppidan Tümmler 

      https://apps.athom.com/app/nl.nielsdeklerk.neeo

      just click on install. That’s it.

    • Niels de Klerk 

      Thanks. 

      Excuse a newbie :-) This is the app for the Homey, what about on NEEO? what device should be used to control the Homey?

    • Jan Pontoppidan Tümmler whatever you create in the settings of the homey app. You can build your own drivers by just a few clicks.

    • Update.  I got the Sonoff RF Bridge 433.   The eWeLink app is better looking than I expected.  Unfortunately the RF Bridge refused to learn either of the RF remotes that I need to control. :( 

    • Bill Kaczmarek are you sure the remotes are definitely 433? Turns out my ceiling fan remote is 303MHz. You can put the Tasmota custom firmware on the bridge to use MQTT:

      https://github.com/arendst/Sonoff-Tasmota/wiki/Sonoff-RF-Bridge-433

    • Jamie Burgess Thanks Jamie. Good thought.  The one I care about (awnings) is indeed labeled as 433.  I suspect it may be a rolling frequency (Sonoff says they work only with static frequencies).  I wish I could confirm!  -- or find a replacement control that is compatible with my motor and that I could control online.

  • You could also go for Openhab and the RFxcom. Might be cheaper than Homey and there is already a NEEO transport binding in Openhab that works quite well and is quite flexible

    • Frederik Vancoillie Thanks. Interesting. I'll have a look. 

      Step one is to get something that will mimic the RF remote controls that I have now -- I likely need to replace what I have and get something more modern and pricier. 

      Once I can mimic the remote controls, then I can look at next steps.  

  • I'm using homeassistant and working on replacing my RF fan remote. 

    First step is to figure out what signal is being sent so using my old HA Pi (now using an Ubuntu machine): http://stevenhickson.blogspot.sg/2015/02/control-anything-electrical-with.html

    Then using a mixture of a z-wave microcontroller in the wall for on/off, and then the SONOFF RF bridge (with custom firmware), i can create a few scripts in the homeassistant instance. script "turn on fan medium", that will send an http request to the device, which is translated to 433. script may want to turn on fan first, then sent http for medium. 

    Finally i set up using this https://github.com/jakeblatchford/neeo-homeassistant

    (which recently had scripts added) - you can add home assistant scripts to NEEO. 

    personally i'll use NEEO to turn on and off the fan, and alexa to control speed (foraging for a remote at night vs asking alexa to "turn the fan to medium")

    needless to say i'm working on this over the next week or so

    • Jamie Burgess turns out my ceiling remote was 303MHz, so sadly cant use the SONOFF Bridge.

      However i'm committed to this now, so i took apart the ceiling fan remote and confirmed a different frequency (and sourcing 303MHz transmitter and receiver seems harder than i thought).

      There were available spots on the PCB to solder cables and run to a breakout board:

      I took an ESP8266 and flashed the Tasmota firmware to allow easy customization, and then used 3 available GPIO pins. Told the Tasmota firmware the PINs were used as switches.

      Using MQTT i can send a command to switch1 from Home Assistant (and thus via Alexa, or NEEO) and can control the fan.

      The next step is to power the whole thing via a USB port ;)

    • there you have it = any remote with only a few buttons can be added to a home automation solution. I don't think NEEO can send http requests, so you'll need Home Assistant (or some other solution to broker. This ESP8266 can take http or MQTT commands to switch on the buttons.)

    • Jamie Burgess Cool!

    • Jamie Burgess Thats exaclty what i once written is possible to do, if you don't have ir receivers. but it is work and needs soldering. So i don't think it is for everybody.

      NEEO is capable of sending HTTP requests (with the SDK, so you can write a direct module, but currently still need an Rasperberry or else which runs the SDK Code)

  • I'm in for one when someone fixes the 315MHz/433MHz support where i don't have to do any wiring.

  • Markus Mahr said:
    still need an Rasperberry or else which runs the SDK Code)

     Markus Mahr can I run the SDK code on an old Android phone? (I use one as a kind of file server for JOIN and TASKER calls)

  • Niels de Klerk

    Could you help me to understand what i need to do to get my NEEO system to operate my 433mhz projector screen? 

     

    I have now invested a bit to upgrade some things to make my NEEO work with all my stuff. The projector screen is the last missing piece.

     

    i get confused when people are saying it’s possible but NEEO says no?! 

     

    Thank you!🙏

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      Oskar Haldemar What kind of upgrade did you do? The easiest way is to add an additional gateway that is capable of learning 433 RF Codes. Then use forward actions from the NEEO to send the command to the external Gateway. I personally use an AIO Gateway for all 433 Devices, forward action is send to IP-Symcon, wich redirects the command from NEEO to the AIO Gateway.

    • Oskar Haldemar  NEEO doesn't have a 433Mhz radio so it cant directly control these devices.

      There are however different solutions that do support 433Mhz, I own a Homey, they have a 433Mhz radio and support quite some protocols on 433Mhz. There is also a device known as rfxcom that can handle 433Mhz. Unfortunatly having the radio isn't enough. 433Mhz is just a frequency. there is no standard and every device has it's own protocols. to get your projector to work you would need a solution that is known to work with your projector. then combine the neeo with that solution.

      Hope this helps you get a bit closer to a solution.

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      Oskar Haldemar There are even more options, but not easy ones unfortunately. At my dad's house, I replaced the 433RF controller which was originally mounted with a fibaro roller shutter which can then be controlled by NEEO.

    • Fonzo 

      thanks for your reply! This AIO has two hardware versions, v5 and v4. Which one do you have? 

      I have replaced my wall plugs and lights to stuff that works with NEEO, e.g IKEA TRÅDFRI.

      With your suggested solution, i guess this will not be a “plug-and-play” kinda setup. If I go for this AIO box.. would you be available to guide me if I need help to get this all running properly?

      thanks! 

    • Niels de Klerk 

      thanks Niels, I better understand now how RF can be achieved with NEEO. But this homey product is a bit expensive for my purpose and I would not be able to utilize all its functions. Besides, I had a look at the forum for homey, and it’s mostly in Dutch. Or I did not find the proper forum. 

      I think I will go either for the AIO GATEWAY or a fibaro roller shutter like suggested above. 

      The fibaro fits my price range (about 50€) but seems to be quite tricky to setup.. I will to a little research and try.

      thanks!

    • Patrick 

      thanks for you reply!

      i looked into this product a little and it showed that it is supposed to mounted in the wall, behind the normal light switcher. I guess I would install this inside the projector controller somehow? And how will add this new inputs to NEEO?

       

      thanks!

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      Oskar Haldemar  I still own an AIO gateway v4 +, but I do not know if this is still commercially available. Currently, a v5 or v5+ are the available devices. A v5 would suffice for the 433 MHz case perhaps there is also the older v4+ still cheaper available. The easiest way to use is not even the forward action of the NEEO but let the NEEO simply send any IR signal from a device that is not available in the room. The V5 will be taught the IR signal the NEEO sends once. Then you can use this IR code as a trigger and send a radio command with an incoming IR signal from the NEEO. The NEEO and the v5 have to be then in the same room and in the line of sight if you use simply the IR as the trigger for the 433 RF code. If you want to place the V5 anywhere or hidden this would make the setup a bit more complicated, because then you cannot receive the IR Command from the NEEO brain directly. In the case the v5 is located elsewhere or hidden, you would use forward actions from the NEEO and you would need an additional computer or an existing home automation, that gets the data from the NEEO and then send the command to the V5. I personally use IP-Symcon for this task because my AIO gateway is hidden. But the easiest "plug and play" way would be to place the V5 in the line of sight to the brain, that it can react directly to the ir signal, that was sent from the NEEO. Basically, 433 MHz devices can be taught into the V5. It is only important that the manufacturer of the device does not use a rolling radio code, then you can not teach the device because the code changes every time the device sends a command. With this combination of NEEO and v5 you can then use every cheap 433 MHz devices which are available in DIY stores only by sending an IR signal from the NEEO brain to the corresponding v5. Then you only have to send an IR signal with the NEEO to the aio gateway that sends the appropriate RF code.

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