Dummy device needed?

AVR:  Denon AVR-391

I'm not sure the best way to set this one up?  I want to have access to more advanced audio commands.  But some of these commands (e.g. 'Surround Parameter' in the AVR, risk breaking the Recipes. i.e. if the AVR then is not brought back to Main Menu level, then the Recipes fail.)   

So I want to use a dummy device to set this up, one apart from the device used by everyone else who might use the remote.  BUT WHAT DUMMY DEVICE TO USE?  I tried using Chromecast a second time, but then 'Now Active' sessions stacks up with multiple sessions active. 

Instead I add the Control for the AVR, but that is annoying in that a ton of commands then appear, but none of them work.   
SO I'M HOPING FOR A BETTER DUMMY DEVICE TO USE, with BETTER CONTROLS.

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  • Bill Kaczmarek If I am understanding you correctly, to accomplish this you just need to add AVR shortcuts to each of your existing recipes.  I have recipes for Directv, Roku, Blu-ray, etc. and have added AVR shortcuts which allow me to switch surround parameters and access full AVR setup from within each recipe.  Adding a dummy device should not be necessary.  Hope this helps.

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  • I think there are different options to get this solved:

    As  Dave H already said, adding the needed shortcuts in the recipes in which you want to have them. You could also go ahead and add the needed steps in the recipes to automatically make sure you put your AVR back on the main menu level, for example in the powered-off part of your recipes.

    Another option would be to come up with fully custom recipes to bring your AVR in the according to modes which include all steps needed. The manually created recipes are not tracked in the now active section, so this would prevent the piling up you described.

    You could also enable the hidden recipe for the AVR itself by toggling the switch in the settings menu in the NEEO App under "recipes" and adjusting that to your needs.

    Another option would be to add your AVR again in case you are already making use of the hidden recipe described above and then use the recipe from the second device. 

     

    Did you already put some recipes together? Would you mind sharing these?

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  •  Thanks, Dave H and Patrick.   Dave's suggestion was what I did as step 1.  But I learned that certain AVR shortcuts like 'surround Parameter' were dangerous to other recipes.   'Surround Parameter' toggles open and closed again a menu.  I know of no command to go to the main menu, and if the submenu is left open, then the AVR commands/recipes fail.  So, I don't think Patrick's suggestion to revert safely back to the main menu is possible.

    Patrick's suggestion to set up - if I understand correctly - separate, individual recipes to attain various desired modes.  Andy apologized that he found no commands for discrete modes. Even worse, the options vary dynamically depending upon the programming - sometimes Dolby, sometimes PLI, etc - necessitating a visual look at the 'surround parameter submenu' at any time to see which options are available.  So, unless I'm missing something, I don't see this option as being possible.

    So step 2 was to segregate dangerous and esoteric commands.  Call it "No Go Audio" in hopes of keeping out the uninitiated.  But reusing devices means they "pile up" as Active device.  (Patrick you suggest reusing the AVR, but wouldn't that pile up too?).  I've tried a custom recipe containing just a command, but this then doesn't allow shortcuts to be added!  So it misses the whole point and is useless.  Now I have the custom recipe set up with the only command being 'Show the AVR Controls'.  This, just so that I can add the Shortcuts that I need, like 'Surround Parameter.'  (The annoying part is that the commands on that Controls page are all useless and distracting.)

    My major recipes are all working well (apart from excessive delays that seem unavoidable until smart delay is no longer stupid delay.  Are you interested in seeing just related recipes?  I'm not sure which you'd like to see?  I'll show the best one I've come up with to allow shortcuts. And the VieraCast with the insane delays - but otherwise great. (though missing ways to jump to Netflix and Amazon Prime etc) 

     

    [typos fixed - sorry!]

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  • Sorry, I just now understood that there are not really specific commands for the modes you want to be set. I do think the approach you have found for the moment is not bad. 

    I understand that you are now seeing a lot of screens in your AVR recipe that you actually don't need. Being able to sort and hide these pages is one of the most requested features here on Planet NEEO. So even though I can not say you exactly when this will be ready, you should soon be able to adjust that according to your needs.

    Would you mind quickly summarising the delays you actually need for your devices to be turned on? Especially the time from being turned on until they are capable to receive further commands is interesting. We could then add these delays in our database, which would also allow you to make use of the smart delay function again.

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    • Patrick  Andy   Summer ended and I got busy, sorry, but I am finally responding to your request for what Delay-times are needed. See page 4 of the attached for the delays needed, and for similar detailed settings needed.    And I've done some thinking!!

      ADD DEVICES SPECIFIC TO THEIR TASKS!

      This is what I mean...

      First, it seems obvious that it is the Activity that determines what is needed in the Controls, what Delay is needed, what Hard Button Mapping and what Shortcuts make sense.   Those settings need to be tailored to the Activity. It goes without saying, right!

      But NEEO's design at the moment seems to center not on Activities but on physical Devices.  That falls short.  There are cases where a single physical device can have more than one Activity... each Activity very different, very distinct. 

      For instance a TV (like mine) might be showing broadcast TV, or it might be running the on-board internet programs, or it might even be 'Skyping' (but using its on-board application rather than Skype).  And so it is unavoidable that a single NEEO "device" is not going to be enough to do right by each of those Activities. 

      A single physical device needs from NEEO a separate, tailored NEEO 'recipe-device' for *each* of its Activities.  (I've attached a document with real examples. )   

      MY REQUEST is that rather than trying to paste together random Dummy Devices, as Raphael had suggested, that it would instead be terrific if NEEO's  'recipe-devices' had Controls, Delays, Hard Buttons, and Shortcuts  that were tailor-made for the particular use.  In other words, instead of a single NEEO recipe-device named "Panasonic TC-P42G25" (as there is now for my TV),  NEEO would instead make available several, specialized 'recipe-devices' such as "TC-P42G25-for-TV"; "TC-P42G25-for-VieraCast"; "TC-P42G25-for-VieraLink", etc.  Similarly, for my AVR there should be "Denon AVR-391-for-Dock" and a "AVR-391-as-hidden-background-AVR". 

      By doing this, you avoid the problem of using Dummy Devices where the Controls, the Delays, the Hard Buttons, and the Shortcuts are all terrible and unsuited for the Activity.

       

      If I'm missing something and there is currently a way to meet the Activity-specific needs, please let me know.   But I'm pretty confident that for NEEO to satisfy folks, it needs to offer Activity-specific "recipe-devices" rather than just a **single**  'recipe-device' for each physical device.  (Although of course, many, or even most, physical devices may only have one major Activity and so need only one NEEO 'recipe-device'.)  

       

      See the attached for details on settings and delays that I am requesting.

       

      I'm feeling that this approach is maybe just a bit more work - not a radical change - and it avoids a lot of confusion - so that maybe in fact you will save yourselves some headaches.  And will make NEEO all the more popular!

      Thanks!

      Bill

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      • Patrick@NEEO
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      Bill Kaczmarek Thanks for the feedback. I did enjoy getting a full presentation very much 👍

      If I have understood you correctly we are basically almost doing what you described. For example for AVR devices, we do have different devices in our database already, for example, an "AVR" and a "Tuner" device. These will control the same device, but they come with different widgets, prepared for the specific use case. This is basically how we currently handle devices with multiple functions.

      Also, you can always add the same device again, no need to use dummy devices, you can always go ahead and add the same device again and use this for a different purpose and rename them accordingly. You can then also have different widgets for this devices, even though it is basically the same device.

      Sorry if that was unclear, maybe in your case it would have been smarter to add the TV again instead of the AVR.

      As for the delays, we basically do always hold the longest delay of the device in a specific recipe. We only do this for devices for which we assume they are off. 

      Does that help? Or did I get you totally wrong?

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    • Patrick  Thanks for your patience!   It is good to hear that you guys offer more than one "device" for the same physical device!!!

      So this is where I'm at:

      1.) OK, (I'm not near my NEEO now) but I see in 'works with NEEO' that you do indeed have both a 'Denon AVR-391 AVR' and a 'Denon AVR-391 TUNER' .   So I'll have a look.

      I2.) 'll post a request (in the 'specific devices' page) requesting that you add a similar two-device solution for the TV - which is the high priority for me.  I need both:

             "Panasonic TC-P42G25 TV STATIONS"

             "Panasonic TC-P42G25 BUILT-IN WEB APPS"

      NOTE that the delays are very different for these two -- the 'TV stations' needs only about 7 seconds and 'web apps' needs about 37 seconds (giving it time to connect to the web).     So, it is important that the two have differing delays.   And truly SMART will be if they only delay if the TV is off - the last I heard this was still being fixed.  I hope to see it not *always* wait 37 seconds.

      3) Stacking up in 'Now Active'

      Patrick said:
      Also, you can always add the same device again, no need to use dummy devices, you can always go ahead and add the same device again and use this for a different purpose and rename them accordingly.

      But that is what I did originally.  When Raph saw that I had several recipes stacking up in NOW ACTIVE he said to instead use a Dummy Device.   My question:  If I again use the same device will different names, will it no longer stack up as NOW ACTIVE?      It may not matter, since I need different Delays for the two, so using the same one - at least in this scenario - doesn't make sense.

      Patrick said:
      You can then also have different widgets for this devices, even though it is basically the same device.

      The widgets are too little - in the scenario I'll post separately, the Buttons on the remote, the Controller features, and the Favorites, all need to differ between "TV stations" and "Built-in web apps"   Just choosing the widgets isn't nearly enough.

      I'll give details for the request as soon as I can, in the page Specific Device Request

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      • Patrick@NEEO
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      Bill Kaczmarek 

      Bill Kaczmarek said:
      NOTE that the delays are very different for these two -- the 'TV stations' needs only about 7 seconds and 'web apps' needs about 37 seconds (giving it time to connect to the web).   

      I do like the idea, but I can not tell you yet if and when we will have this implemented since this would require a lot of data about thousands of devices before this data is available the feature makes no sense. If I got that right, this is mostly required due to different delays, so once the bug with the user setting has been removed, you should be able to set that up.

       

      Bill Kaczmarek said:
      But that is what I did originally.  When Raph saw that I had several recipes stacking up in NOW ACTIVE he said to instead use a Dummy Device.   My question:  If I again use the same device will different names, will it no longer stack up as NOW ACTIVE?      It may not matter, since I need different Delays for the two, so using the same one - at least in this scenario - doesn't make sense.

      Sorry, my bad, seems like I mixed something up with another case. We do have so-called "source" and "target" devices. Usually, many source devices share one single target device. A target device is, for example, a TV. When you add your TV again, you will have another target device, which will then stack up again. If you add a dummy device or any other source device, and you wire it to the same TV, the NEEO will smartly handle the recipes in the now active sections since one single target device can only be active once. So the recommendation of Raphael was correct.

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    • Patrick  Putting your two replies above together -- it occurs to me that the different delays are mostly needed because I am using a dummy device.  Right? 

      IF A SMART DELAY was working, then I wouldn't have an issue.  BUT A SMART DELAY CANNOT POSSIBLY WORK if I don't even have that device, let alone have it running... ISN'T THAT RIGHT? 

      In other words, I have a smart delay set for the recipe, which is associated with a device I don't have (Amazon Fire TV), instead of being associated with the TV that I actually do have (done this way because the recipes stack up if I do use the TV for both recipes).    So, rather than the Smart Delay realizing that that device has been on for hours already (the TV), it senses that it hasn't been on (Amazon Fire), and thus runs for 40 seconds each time it runs - when 75% of the time it doesn't need to wait at all because the TV has been on and the web connected already.

      I hope that is clear.   So maybe the easier answer to accomplish the improvement is to find a way to prompt: "Stack these devices or don't stack them as active? y/n" 

      • Maybe as default, assume that they shouldn't stack and give the user the option to stack them if it ever is useful? 
      • But still have the Smart Delay treat them as the same so that it decides whether or not a device is just being turned on, or has been on already!

      BTW to set up a device with a second use case (namely "Panasonic Model# - for TV stations" and Panasonic Model# - for web apps")  you need only two points of data, not thousands!!  ;-)

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  • I also have a need for a dummy device, although for a slightly different purpose than Bill Kaczmarek. I have a turntable connected to my home theater. What I want is to create a device and/or recipe for the turntable that allows me to have a Shortcut screen but no control screen. The standard control screens for preamp/processor are totally superfluous when using the turntable, but I need to be able to manually invoke some specific preamp/processor commands on occasion.

    Is there ANY device already in the database that has zero control screens, for which a shortcut screen is available?

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    • Steveeo  Try Amazon Fire TV? (There's just one annoying page.)  

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      • Steveeo
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      Bill Kaczmarek Thanks for the suggestion. It's not ideal, but could be a temporary workaround until Neeo comes up with a better way to address the whole issue of control screens.

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      • Patrick@NEEO
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      Steveeo  I will check with the device driver team what other dummy devices would make sense. 

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  • We have added new dummy devices. You just need to search for "dummy".

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    • Patrick Terrific news. Thanks Patrick!  I'll look this evening.... I'm hoping for one with hard buttons mapped to the cursor controls and ok button. 

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    • Patrick I've had a look.  Not seeming to fit the bill for me. 

      I added Dummy Accessory.  Although it now appears in the list of Devices on the app, it doesn't appear as an icon in the Room.  So I cannot click it to actually try it. I cannot add shortcuts to it.  Basically it is inaccessible.

      I tried another, but got tangled up in cable salad. When I started this thread, I was hoping for a way to add parameters without the excessive screens.  I don't seem to be able to use these Dummies to accomplish that.

      Separately, in terms of the request for a device tailored to a use case,  {see above, Panasonic TV for web apps}  it would be conceivable that a dummy device would help, if it mapped the hard buttons to OK and to cursor control (ie left right up down).  But didn't seem that the new Dummy devices would accomplish that.  But let me know if I missed something.

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      • Patrick@NEEO
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      Bill Kaczmarek Thanks for testing that. I think we are not yet able to completely achieve exactly what you are trying to do.

      You are right, the standard fo Accessory devices is that they do not create a recipe. For these devices, we assume that they are handled from within other recipes and no own recipe is needed.

      For you example (Panasonic TV for web apps) there are a few challenges though, dependant on using different approaches:

       

      USING THE EXISTING TV RECIPE:

      Tha would also work, as long as you don't need that for the TV Tuner already. But the screens which you don't want to see will be there.

       

      ADDING THE TV AGAIN:

      That would work, but again, you will not get rid of the screens which you don't want to see. Since you then have two target devices, your TV can be shown in the now active section twice.

       

      USING A DUMMY DEVICE:

      That is another option. To assign the buttons to the TV, you would have to choose the TV in the step "show controls". But this will end up in having the same screens again and no separate page for shortcuts.

      As for the moment, I would recommend using the existing recipe for the TV if you have a separate tuner device. 

      We are actually working on allowing to hide and sort the pages/slides in the recipe. You should very soon be able to adjust that so that you don't have to look at pages which you don't need any longer.

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  • Andy  I just realized from another post that you can write macros.

    Please add four shortcuts:  [This is for Panasonic TC-P42G25]

    1- TOP APP: 

    .  VieraCast > Cursor up > Enter

    2- LEFT APP:

     . VieraCast > Cursor left > Enter

    3- RIGHT APP: 

    .  VieraCast > Cursor Right > Enter

    4- BOTTOM APP:

     . VieraCast > Cursor down > Enter

    This will allow us to quickly jump to favorites (like Netflix, Tagesschau, Amazon Prime, etc.

    Thanks!

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      • Andy
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      Bill Kaczmarek 

      I just saw your post. Please excuse that this was missed. I have added these. We call them APP 1, 2, 3 & 4. Let me know if it works. The new data appears around 7PM CET. Thanks!

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    • Andy Thanks. Sorry, I made a couple of mistakes.  (1) They need about a five second delay... for the VieraCast screen to reload.  (Maybe use 10 seconds and then we can trim once it is working?) (2) One of the requests I sent is wrong. DOWN is actually not possible, as a settings icon that cannot be moved is located there. 

      Btw there are actually seven app locations available (DOWN>LEFT; LEFT; LEFT>UP; UP; RIGHT>UP; RIGHT; RIGHT>DOWN.)  I'll include a photo.  This is on the top page. (There are actually additional pages available, but there are fewer apps than slots available, so don't worry about additional pages.) 

      It would be helpful if the app names let you know which icon was which. As you can hopefully see in the photo, you may see that Netflix is lower left, but then you have no idea if that is app 1 or app 2 etc. Please better entitle in NEEO to be useful to the user.  Or maybe 1 thru 7 from lower left to lower right moving clockwise... maybe users will guess correctly.

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      • Andy
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      Bill Kaczmarek 

      Many thanks for the additional info!

      Are these apps always at the same place? Or is it depending on what you have installed, or anrranged?

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    • Andy No, It is totally customizable.  You can move whichever app to whichever location.  Except that DOWN takes you to MORE (aka next page of menu options, then to GO BACK aka previous page of menu options, and then to an immovable SETTINGS tool which is where you can customize which app appears where.)

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      • Andy
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      Bill Kaczmarek 

      Thanks! If they are changing, we should not name them according to app. Can you please create another list of all possible app positions with the macros leading to them? That helped a lot in the post above. Thanks!

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    • Andy You want macros for the other pages as well? Do you want to try and get these first ones working first (by adding the delays)? And once we have a working proof of concept then add the whole population?  I'm good either way... just let me know.

      ALSO it would be great if you allowed icons to be assigned. Similar to FAVORITES for TV, where you pick a channel/(app location) and then assign a logo BBC/(Netflix) to appear.

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    • Andy  ok, per your request, here are more macros, to get to all the possible app locations (although this is overkill... no one will need even a third of all those app slots)

      Above you have already done the 7 app slots on the top page, Page 1. So here are the 7 each on page 2 thru 5.

      PAGE 2: 

      APP1: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Left / Enter

      APP2: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Left / Up / Enter

      APP3: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Left / Up / Up / Enter

      APP4: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter /  Up / Up / Enter

      APP5: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Right / Up / Up / Enter

      APP6: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Right / Up / Enter

      APP7: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Right / Enter

      PAGE 3: 

      APP1: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Left / Enter

      APP2: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Left / Up / Enter

      APP3: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Left / Up / Up / Enter

      APP4: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter /  Enter / Up / Up / Enter

      APP5: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Right / Up / Up / Enter

      APP6: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Right / Up / Enter

      APP7: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Right / Enter

      PAGE 4: 

      APP1: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Enter / Left / Enter

      APP2: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Enter / Left / Up / Enter

      APP3: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Enter / Left / Up / Up / Enter

      APP4: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter /  Enter / Enter / Up / Up / Enter

      APP5: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Enter / Right / Up / Up / Enter

      APP6: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Enter / Right / Up / Enter

      APP7: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Enter / Right / Enter

      PAGE 5: 

      APP1: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Enter / Enter / Left / Enter

      APP2: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Enter / Enter / Left / Up / Enter

      APP3: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Enter / Enter / Left / Up / Up / Enter

      APP4: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter /  Enter / Enter / Enter / Up / Up / Enter

      APP5: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter / Enter / Enter / Enter / Right / Up / Up / Enter

      APP6: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter /  Enter / Enter / Enter / Right / Up / Enter

      APP7: VieraCast / 5S Delay / Down / Enter /  Enter / Enter / Enter / Right / Enter

       

      ICONS NEEDED (most popular anyway)

      - Amazon Video

      - Hulu plus

      - Netflix

      - Pandora

      - Major League Baseball

      - Twitter

      - AccuWeather

      - Local Weather

      - Tagesschau

      - euronews

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      • Andy
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      Bill Kaczmarek 

      Yes, this is overkill :-)

      I was not aware that there are so many pages. My question was regarding the first page. And I was thinking there is only one. Now the problem, it's very inconsistent to add one page only. That's not how things are done in our database. But adding all screens is, like you said, total overkill. Not sure how to proceed.

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    • Andy I'd suggest you aim to:

      1 Add the 5 Second delay for the Shortcuts that you've already released.  (insert it after the VieraCast ) 

      2  If possible, build functionality to allow icons to be assigned to each shortcut. Similar to FAVORITES for TV, where you pick a channel/(app location) and then assign a logo BBC/(Netflix) to appear for that channel/(app location).

      3  Since the long list of app locations would appear in the app only, unless the User made them active, maybe the long list wouldn't disturb anyone, especially if you put them behind a link "show more" (show less).

      4 And if you do just page one (and maybe page two) for now, if anyone requests more, you can always add more if and when you ever get that request.

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      • Andy
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      Bill Kaczmarek 

      Thanks! For now, I have corrected the already existing app macros. You did mention something before that the one with CURSOR DOWN is not working, right?

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    • Andy Yes, I had originally sent you four, (left, right, top, and bottom... ) and bottom is in fact no good.  (Fyi 'Down' is how you get to next page of the menu.). 

      Then, I sent you instructions for the seven on the top page ("there are actually seven app locations available (DOWN>LEFT; LEFT; LEFT>UP; UP; RIGHT>UP; RIGHT; RIGHT>DOWN.")  and requested that a 10Second delay be added for each.... so the syntax is that they will each be VieraCast > Delay > ...followed by the various cursor prompts above then ....  ≥ ENTER.

      A good way to name the seven Apps might be  SW, W, NW, N, NE, E, SE

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    • Andy  Sorry, we seem to be have gotten out of synch with each other. 

      I'm home now, so I'm able to see what you have done so far.  I see Apps 1 - 4. The 5 Second delays are good!

      ** They each need an additional command added up front though.  Please add VieraCast >  Delay 5Seconds to each of them.  

      (Fyi, the reason it needs TWO in a row is that the first command brings it back to the VieraCast menu page.  The second command brings the cursor to the middle of the page.  So you know where you are starting from.)

      The apps map as follows: App 1 is North. App 2 is West. App 3 is East.  YOU CAN DELETE APP 4 -- it would be South, but that is the path to go to page two, rather than an app location.

      I'll stop there.  You could add Apps for SW NW NE and SE -- I gave the instructions above -- or first fix these and then I'll give them to you again once we are back in synch.

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  • Andy 

    Following up on this one.  (I just noticed there were four updates for the device.) 

    The four Shortcuts there now are ever so close! ... each just needs a second VieraCast command inserted. 

    Each Shortcut should begin with:

    VieraCast > wait 5 seconds > VieraCast > wait 3 seconds... [and proceed as they do now]

    App 4 would be better if you inserted a command LEFT just before the final ENTER.

    Thanks!  Hope you are well.

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    • Andy  p.s. While you are there, making the changes per above, maybe you can fix this too.  

      I'm experiencing two bugs.

      (1) lately, when I run my recipe, it fails to enable the hard buttons and volume on the remote.  Forcing me to run the recipe again, which then works fine.

      I suspect it may be related to the next issue.

      (2) When I look at the app, it shows as Now Active the previous device, namely Chromecast.

      And, as I've mentioned before (this bug has been around ever since you fixed it so multiple NOW ACTIVES don't stack up), if I click HOME on the remote (for instance to wake the screen) then the Remote switches the Now Active to be instead Chromecast -- meaning that the hard buttons on the Remote are then no longer mapped and I've lost the on screen controls and shortcuts.  Annoying! (especially in light of the fact that it can take nearly a full minute to re-run the recipe.)

       

      In case you are curious, here's my recipe:

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      • Andy
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      Bill Kaczmarek 

      Finally, the macros are corrected. Hopefully this was the last attempt.

      Regarding the HOME button. This on purpose, if you press the HOME button, you leave the recipe. Don't press any button to wake the screen. It wakes up automatically if the remote is moved. If it doesn't wake up, shake it a bit.

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    • Andy Thanks!  All four app macros now work perfectly.  (Cool would be if they could be labeled somehow).  

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    • Andy 

      Andy said:
      Regarding the HOME button. This on purpose, if you press the HOME button, you leave the recipe.

       This is still an issue.  For all devices except one it works fine... if you press HOME button the Device moves to the top/Now Active and thus can easily be touched and retrieved. In contrast, just one device fails.  It either disappears entirely or the wrong/prior device appears at the top/now active.  This means that in order to get back the Shortcuts/menu pages, you need to disrupt the session and run the recipe again from the beginning... very disruptive.

      If I go to adjust a light and then come back, I cannot retrieve the Shortcuts/menu pages for this particular device, as it disappears from top/now active.  

      The problem device is the duplicate device that I run for VieraCast (ie a second instance of the Panasonic TV.)

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      • Andy
      • Andy
      • 1 yr ago
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      Bill Kaczmarek 

      I'll tag Patrick here. Maybe he knows a workaround.

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    • Andy Patrick  Thanks.  Here's a great idea for a work around!

      Trigger: Something obscure so it isn't accidentally triggered, like 'Very long hold' on the device icon.

      Action: NEEO loads the recipe CONTROLS without running the rest of the recipe.  So the Now Active populates but without killing and re-running the session.  Now the menu pages/shortcut page are available as normal.

       

      BONUS: I realize something like this would also be handy for my dumb DVD. For instance, when all is powered off, but NEEO failed to turn off the DVD, I could long hold the DVD icon and would get the controls. Thus I could turn off the DVD and avoid turning on the TV and AVR in order to be able to turn off the DVD.  Good!

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    • Andy  The four shortcuts APP1 - APP4 are great.  Thanks!

       

      Great would be if they could now appear on the FAVORITES page, where they really belong.  NEEO would need to be able to process them.   And they'd need a numerical ID, given that currently only a numerical keyboard is there. Maybe use triple dash or similar to enter them e.g.  ---01, ---02, etc. And of course then the labeling of them is possible! ie see below :}

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      • Andy
      • Andy
      • 1 yr ago
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      Bill Kaczmarek 

      Hi again,

      Mapping these to digits is not possible. All we can do is send infrared commands. On the favorite screen only digits are sent. To make your idea possible, the firmware on the TV would have to be changed. 

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    • Andy  Thanks for the reply, Andy. Sorry that I wasn't clear.  Let me try again.

      I was suggesting keeping the Shortcuts to APP1 through APP4 working exactly as they are now. 

       

      But the difference is that they display on the FAVORITES page, (along with the logo).   

       

      I was just suggesting a creative way of populating the favorites page, thinking that three dashes could clue the code to NOT send digits but instead to trigger the Shortcut code instead.

      You could rename the Shortcuts "APP ---01" - "APP ---4" .

      The user would enter it in FAVORITES as "---1"

      When the user selects from the FAVORITES page NETFLIX (associated in the background with "---1"), instead of sending any digits to the TV, NEEO would trigger the Shortcut APP1 code (renamed "APP ---1" )

       

      Thoughts?

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    • Andy  p.s. or did I misunderstand what you meant when you wrote the firmware on the "TV" would need to change?  I understood you to mean the physical TV. But if you meant the NEEO DEVICE "TV", then that is ok with me.  It seems like this approach would be appreciated by users of lots of Smart TVs.  (Rather than a blank page of FAVORITES, or just digital stations ther and Smart TV favorites elsewhere, in the Shortcuts, better to allow all the FAVORITES options to appear together in one place. For the user it is simpler and a cleaner experience.

      I'm hoping it isn't a huge change to the firmware - "IF --- then trigger macro; ELSE continue to send digits"  

      Thanks!

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      • Andy
      • Andy
      • 1 yr ago
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      Bill Kaczmarek 

      I may have not been very clear myself. I basically understood your idea - at least partly :-) I meant the actual TV firmware. But I see know how you want to make this possible. It can be done, but has to be done within the NEEO software. As apps are getting more and more important, I would imagine an additional app favorite screen instead of mixing up with TV and radio channels. I think for a lot of people, apps are even more important then channels. E.g. I watch regularly Netflix but never TV. Then this should not be done via the digits. The user should be able to search for the app. And if there is such an infrared command or macro available for this device and app, it can be added with the correct logo, mapped to the correct command or macro. Can you do a voting post for this on Planet NEEO? There may even already be one.

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    • Andy  Yes, my idea on how to jury rig it to work isn't very elegant. Agreed.

       

      I know (have tried before, as I recall) that there isn't a discrete command for the apps on my device.  Hence your creation of the Shortcuts App 1-4.   (My device may be retarded, but that's what I have.) So that limits options for me.

       

      Ultimately I think you will get happy users with an ON icon.  Then a SINGLE destinations page -- and I think you are right, that it will have only a couple of TV channels, and many more Apps on it for most users.  But ultimately I envision that it will also include CHROMECAST.  

       

      So click an icon for ON. Then see the Destinations page and choose from it either App Netflix or TV station CNN or Chromecast feed or DVD etc.   

       

      And after that, the specific page opens -- menu & shortcuts for x (e.g. for Chromecast) 

       

      Option is to go back to Destinations and choose App (and menu/shortcuts for that app appear)

       

      Etc.  

       

      Having many destination pages will ultimately frustrate folks -- that's what my crystal ball is showing. 😏

       

      It is easier for the user, but more complicated for NEEO.  NEEO thus has to react to the selection differently - CNN or Netflix or Chromecast or DVD - NEEO must react to each with the cable salad and settings appropriate for each.   

       

      My2¢, fwiw!

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    •  andy  

      App 1 - App 4 don't work half the time.  They are fine in WebTV mode, but fail in TV mode.

      Please change the second Wait to also be 5 seconds (rather than the current 3 seconds)

      I believe the settings are now:
      VieraCast > wait 5 seconds > VieraCast > wait 3 seconds... [and proceed as they do now]
       

      Also, I suspect App 4 would work better if you swapped the final DOWN and LEFT, so that the LEFT comes before the DOWN (rather than vice versa)

      I hope you are well (and still here!)  

      Thanks in advance!!!

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      • Andy
      • 1 yr ago
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      Bill Kaczmarek 

      Thanks!

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