Comment on: NEEO: NOW AVAILABLE FOR CONTROL4 SMART HOME OS 3
Comments on this topic are closed so i will share my thoughts here:
I just visited my local dealer for control4 an had a conversation to the manager. It sounded like he had never heard of NEEO.
So I asked a few basic questions to enter the world of Control4:
Its at least 1000€ for a ea1 controller (hub) and some basic programming to integrate my Philips Lights, TV and AVR with Musiccast. Control4 is not user programmable so i will have to call him for every change in the system (and pay for programming).
And NEEO will probably work as a remote for the ea1.
That's a lot of money and far from "NEEO is user customisable".
I don't know what drove them and they expect posting this here other than stirring cold dung up to a steamy hot stew.
What i DO know though, is that I will happlily throw my money at everything unless it is affiliated with NEEO or Control4 who will both will NEVER see me having nice words leave alone becoming a customer. EVER.
The company former known as NEEO invites you to give them even more money. No thank you.
I'm too busy basking in the 24 months of support they're so generously providing.
They've totally skipped over any of the previous discussions they teased around reaching out to the developers in the community and exploring ways of keeping our stylish paperweights functional past the drop dead date. All that supposed tech built into the remote that was never turned on.
(if it is even there? Was there ever a teardown to check? The magical palm reader dropped off the radar pretty quickly...)
Before turning their back on their first customers they really need to offer an offline solution for adding new devices once the lights go out on the server. This is the least they can do for the jaded multitude.
I admit I didn't read the post thorough enough the first time: just to clarify: yes, Control4 is a dealer-system. That comes with the perks of professional, reliable, official support - not from the company Control4 but your, ideally, local dealer, who is able to discern between different types of customers ;).
And no, the system is not purely programmable by the dealer. I find the depth of customers being able to program their system pretty comprehensive.
Control4 is able to control via a lot of protocols. Here is the comprehensive database of available drivers: https://drivers.control4.com/solr/drivers/browse.
If there is no driver, your dealer can pretty easily program simple infrared or serial drivers. There is also a pretty big 3rd-party-sector which programs and sells drivers. For example there is a 3rd- party-driver that lets you send commands via TCP or UDP to specific IPs and Ports. I think there is also such a driver for webhooks (JSON).
Answers seem to be getting longer ;) I'll keep it nice and short: LCN is it's own system - they probably have as little interest in controlling Control4 equipment as vice-versa.
There is a free Oppo-IP driver; been using it for a long time.
There is a driver-API. Control4 uses Lua as the language for drivers.
Yes, new devices need setup by the dealer - find your local dealer and make a deal with them. If you add a hue-light for example - that takes me five minutes to set up remotely (Remote access is allowed or denied by the customer) after you paired it to your hue bridge; nothing in-house.
I guess in the end, it's a matter of deciding whether it's your hobby and you enjoy the community - then maybe you use openHAB or keep using Neeo in its current form (still the nicest remote you can have for an unbeatable price).
Or you want your home 'smart' and automated to make it easier, maybe more energy-efficient and safe to use for you and your family and have time for other things. Than I think a dealer you can ask and rely on isn't the worst.
... longer than anticipated. Have a good night!
No need to be sorry :) - I think this discourse is very necessary. What I meant is: the remote support is selectable by the user on a case-by-case basis. So you disable it generally. If you need support, you enable it for the required time and then disable it again (alterntively you can just pull the network-cable).
In general: the system does work without access to the internet. Does that mean, some functions do not work? Sure. If you want to use Control4 for music playback, your limited to your local NAS or connected USB-Device.
As for the original Neeo still working in the future as usual - you are completely right: no guarantee. But there is always the chance of people talking to each other an finding solutions. Maybe opensourcing the server-software and letting the community run it?
Concerning KNX: the link shows a video for the integration of devices by a specific company (Opus GreenNet) which happens to use EnOcean as their technology; so no KNX in sight there. And I must say: to describe what you see as "laggy and sluggish" leads me to suggest using conventional 230V-switching and a record-player ;); which is also is fine: light and music are the result). The lag you see until music plays ist buffering and the light lag is dimming.
And there is also no doubt, that an end-user is able to setup a safe (in regards to IT-safety) smart-home - I was talking about the safety-aspect of smart-homes (cameras, door-locks). But I see from my wording how that was misunderstood - don't sleep and text.