Grouping Sonos Speakers

Is there a method to group Sonos Speakers in different rooms?  Right now I can only control each speaker individually.  It would be nice if one of the menu options while controlling one speaker was "group with another speaker" or "group with another room."

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  • This can't be done at present as the Sonos control is a little limited, however, I would hope that it is in the plans.

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  • That's pretty basic functionality for sonos. 

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  • As far as I have understood the Sonos API/SDK does simply not allow to do that from third party controllers. But I will check again.

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    • Patrick As I understand this is supported, and well as many other things, via SDK. As an example, the unofficial Phonos app for Win 10 has almost the same functions as the official one.

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    • the 3rd party home automation software I use allows for it. 

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    • WB
    • denim_chair
    • 1 yr ago
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    My Harmony Elite allows you to group/ungroup speakers.  When you launch the "play sonos" activity, it shows all of your sonos rooms, then you simply check/uncheck the ones you want to play the current song/playlist/pandora station.  If you want to put on different music in different rooms it gets a little more tricky and easier to use the Sonos app for this, in my opinion.  

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    • WB Hopefully this will be something neeo adds soon.  I have 4 sonos devices(soon to be 5) and would love to use the neeo remote instead of my phone.

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  • Thanks for the feedback, we'll look into that.

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  • @Patrick Yesterday I was in Solothurn and picked up my Neeo with joy. It was a great event. Today I am a little bit disillusioned, because neeo can only do the minimal functions of sonos. No groups, no soundcloud, no radio stations.
    without groups it is not really useful.

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  • My Home automation can also do all things group, ungroup, announcement etc etc etc. 

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  • I also thought this would be a feature of the Neeo Sonos control.

    Without the possibility to group Sonos speakers and to control the volume groups, the Sonos function of Neeo is pretty useless for me.

    Therefore i am strongly hoping, that this will be added in a future update, in my opinion this is a basic feature.

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    • Joel Riverendo I agree, this is a must feature for this device.

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    • Joel Riverendo I agree as well. With this function missing, controlling Sonos through Neeo is useless. 

      I hope you'll get this sorted out in the next fw update. 

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  • This is not an easy one to solve for Neeo as it is currently restricted by Sonos. Even within the Spotify app grouping cannot be done without ‘punchout’ to the Sonos app.

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  • Unfortunately, I have to confirm what has already been said. If an API/SDK from a manufacturer does not allow accessing certain features, there is really not a lot we can do about it. We simply don't have the option to implement this.

    Yes, we could go ahead and do some hacking and reverse engineering, chances are that we could make it work. There are risk coming with that which are not justifiable though, for example, bad customer experiences due to changes on the manufacturer side, or the risk to get thrown out of official partnering programs cause not being in compliance with their guidelines.

    This is one of the reason why CES is heavily important for us, getting to know the right people to make things like that possible and a legal and efficient way.

    Concerning this specific feature: We are not working on this cause it simply is not possible. There is no other app/remote doing the Sonos grouping due to this fact. We are trying our very best to make this possible though and we are far from giving up. The Sonos Team is amazing and very longterm, I am sure we can eventually work out a solution.

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      • Dillon Moulder
      • Product Owner
      • Dillon_Moulder
      • 10 mths ago
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      Patrick Accepting the Sonos API does not facilitate for the creation or management of Sonos groups, have the dev team at least made progress towards recognising and controlling the volume of an existing Sonos group, as discussed here?

      I'm certain that more than a few of your customers (existing or prospective) will have a Sonos Playbar and Sub grouped along with a pair of Play:1's/One's or a Connect Amp (with connected third-party speakers) to replicate 5.1 sound.

      Patrick said:
      There is no other app/remote doing the Sonos grouping due to this fact.

      Did you miss the comments from Allan Koburg Frederiksen and WB in this topic that suggest otherwise? Perhaps they can expand on their comments.

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      • WB
      • denim_chair
      • 10 mths ago
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      Dillon Moulder I just double checked and on my Harmony elite app I have a activity called listen to sonos.  Once chosen  you can choose music and in which zones you want to listen to music.  You can group.  I also used to use Roomie remote and tha does it too.  I am not exactly sure why neeo would say they cannot do this, unless it’s “we cannot do this the way we want”, because I just did it on my Harmony. 

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    •  Patrick I'm using Sonos Wear on my smartwatch which lets me group/ungroup Sonos.  As mentioned, Macronos can also do it.  As far as I can see, it's also an option in the API. 

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  • Patrick said:
    There is no other app/remote doing the Sonos grouping

    mhmm, i am using the app macronos (android) every day and this app can group speakers, start the desired music and set the volume for each speaker.

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    • Joel Riverendo Looking at the macronos app in google play store it says your device needs to be "rooted". Is that the same as "hacking" a device?

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    • Dave H my phone is not rooted. maybe you need root for a special functionality of the app.

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    • Joel Riverendo Thanks for the reply.  After looking at the macronos app page again, it does seem that rooting is only required for some features.   Still curious if rooting is the same as hacking.

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  • Thank you all for the feedback. Now there are two possibilities. Either they hacked that together without using the official API, or I am simply wrong. The last one may very well be possible, so I will have a look at the API personally today when I meet the developer team. I'll let you know as soon as I had a chance to do so.

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  • OK, I checked on that again and the information I had was apparently wrong. I am sorry for that. I will try to give this a higher priority, but I can not tell you yet on when this feature will be ready.

    The good thing is that this means you will sooner or later be able to also control groups from NEEO. I am personally happy that I was wrong.

    While we are on it, do you have ideas on how you would want to control these? Would you want to have pre-configured groups which you can configure in advance and then select them quickly? Or rather a control like in the original Sonos App?

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    • Patrick Both ways would be a killer! Let NEEO have recipes with specified groups and be able to add and remove on the fly or select wen Audio is started where to play!

      😉😋😬

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      • Dillon Moulder
      • Product Owner
      • Dillon_Moulder
      • 10 mths ago
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      Patrick That’s great news! Implement both options if possible, This functionality will make a significant  difference as far as Sonos support and control is concerned.

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    • Patrick 

      hello!

      is there any news about, when the new features for controlling Sonos groups etc. will be available?

      a Little update on that would make a lot of People here very happy I guess ;)

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  • Is there any progress with regard to sonos grouping? Until now, NEEO in combination with Sonos has been useless for me.

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    • Bonanza NEEO Devs are still in developing. No explicite day of release.

      But why is Sonos Integration Useless? If you add the Speakers in Ungrouped state to NEEO, then regroup them in Sonos App, then neeo is also able to control the Group (next previous song, volume up down, showing Album art, playlist) only issue every speaker is displayed as own recipe regards if grouped or not.

      But the control and queue is completly working at NEEO

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      • Bonanza
      • Bonanza
      • 5 mths ago
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      Markus Mahr Because my Sonos Playbase disconnects from the group as soon as I start watching TV. So if I want to listen to music via Sonos, I (every time) need to regroup the playbase with another group. 

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    • Markus Mahr Hi! Thanks for your answer, i'm trying to get this working but till now no succes. I did as you mentioned but still the hardware volume keys only respond to 1 speaker (sonos connet). My other (play 1) doesn't respond at all to volume changes.. any ideas?

      Thanks for your answer! (want to get this working.. wife is complaining..)

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    • Jeroen van der Steen That the hardware keys only change the volume of the selected speaker is normal under the current handling procedure. This will only change if NEEO is able to detect a group and not handly each speaker individual.

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    • Markus Mahr 

      i do have the same problem. i just can change Volume on the Connect. even if i go back to home screen and select the other active speaker i'm not able to change the volume with NEEO. just if speakers are "ungrouped" i can change Volume of each individual speaker.. in the now active section i can choose all speakers of the group, but as i said, i'm just able to change Volume of the connect. i don't think that this should be like that? i'm with you that no grouping is possible, but change Volume on each speaker should be possilbe?

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    • HI Markus, Thanks for your swift answer. I don't understand the what you mean with below.? can I control volume of the group or not? I had the same problem as Nuro. It's definitely not a big WAF. (Wife Acceptance Factor)... And also not a MAF. :-)

      Markus Mahr said:
      then neeo is also able to control the Group (next previous song, volume up down, showing Album art, playlist)
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    • Jeroen van der Steen nuro

      It was possible until sonos changed something in their api. When I used my first sonos speakers together with NEEO I was able to change the volume of the group. 

       

      Then there was an update from sonos and it stopped working, as far as I know, they changed something in the handling and know you are only able to change volume of a group, when you recognize the group.

      This feature is currently missing from neeo side, so currently only individual changing is possible.

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  • When will we see this functionality being implemented on our NEEO's? 
    If you are troubling with the Sonos API, i can highly recommend this HTTP API bridge for Sonos(Link). It is easy to use and just needs to be installed on the Neeo bridge.

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      • Fonzo
      • Fonzo
      • 8 days ago
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      Mads Ringsted Nielsen If you want to use Sonos in an official device like NEEO you have to use the official SMAPI

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