Neeo really usefull to controll smarthome?

Hey guys, I have the german homee at home and really like the approach.

I have played a bit with neeo and my opinion at the moment is that neeo isn't more than a cooler remote controll and not the new smarthome hub.

I am wrong? Is some one really connected zave door and motion sensors with the zigbee lights and doing fency stuff?

If someone is doing stuff like that? Then please please present me your setup, your hardware and your reciepts.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Sebastian

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  • Sad, but right now your are right.

    At the moment you cant really use it as a smarthome hub

  • Personally i don't have setup z-wave devices. But i use the NEEO Brain as hub to control my Hue lights and actually trying to implement the tado heating system, but until now i failed.

    I Know, that Niels de Klerk has a Setup round about his house with the combination of NEEO and Homey, maybe he will jump in and show you something, else you can watch his Youtube, there are some good Videos.

  • Have a look at https://apps.athom.com/app/nl.nielsdeklerk.neeo

    With this app you can control everything from homey with NEEO and vice versa.

    • Niels de Klerk 

      I know Niels Ich followed you die a while. But correctly homey controls your Home ans Not neeo. For me neeo was always a smart Hub and not an other Philipps harmoney remote. And for that IT failed totaly in my eyes. 

      Neeo has zwave anderen zigbee Hardware on board and thats why Ich think controlling an other smarthub ist a waste of Hardware but IT looks like neeo needs quuiete some Montag/years to bei the device they want to be and even worst, they telled us they are. 

    • Sebastian Spoerer 

      I personally use my openHAB integration which is fully two way with NEEO and I'm betting that Niels de Klerk  homey integration does the same thing.  I can control NEEO from IFFT, micasaverde, alexa, etc and NEEO can control everything hooked up through openhab (including micasaverde and the numerous other things I have linked for it).  Like Niels de Klerk , you gain full access to a real rules engine then as well.

      Remember - NEEO is just getting started and has quite a room to catch up - but there are plenty of workarounds for now that get it up to speed immediately

      • Pontus Lernhag
      • Live long and prosper!
      • Pontus_Lernhag
      • 4 yrs ago
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      Niels de Klerk I got NEEO thinking that it would ba able to act as a controller for all my home automation needs in the future. Seeing how things are progressing I get the feeling that will take a long long time to be realized. I mean, getting full support for everything needed. 

      1. In your opinion, do you think it will ever replace your Homey for example? Or are you simply going to use both of them together to for the foreseeable future?

      2. I just started digging into Homey and what it can do. I saw you app but have not explored fully.
      Are you able to trigger flows in your Homey using a current recipe in NEEO.
      For example: If I use my standard TV recipe, would it be possible to have Homey trigger something when you press a hardware button on NEEO in this recipe? Or would you need to create custom recipes?

    • Pontus Lernhag  

      Pontus Lernhag said:
      Niels de Klerk I got NEEO thinking that it would ba able to act as a controller for all my home automation needs in the future. Seeing how things are progressing I get the feeling that will take a long long time to be realized. I mean, getting full support for everything needed.

       You are right about that, Writing an IP driver is a lengthy process. Looking at Sonos for example it takes quite some time to get it right and when something changes in the API it needs resources to change the driver as well. Some users believe that IP, Bluetooth and other communication protocols are the holy grail but unfortunately they are not. NEEO is doing a really good job in my opinion but to have many devices supported using IP, Bluetooth or HDMI-CEC is just not realistically done by NEEO alone a community is needed to build these integrations. best thing what NEEO can do is to make it as easy as possible for people like me to develop and for the less geeky users make it easy to use these developments.

       

      Pontus Lernhag said:
      In your opinion, do you think it will ever replace your Homey for example? Or are you simply going to use both of them together to for the foreseeable future?

       besides the many great integrations available to homey already (link) the Homey has also support for 433Mhz and 868Mhz radio's, NFC, Voice listening and speaking. so for the long term I am pretty sure that I will use both systems together. I nearly never talk to homey, it mostly works just fine but its just not good enough for me. I.e. taking the NEEO remote is faster and less error prone. What I really do like is the voice feedback. When I get home and open the door my Homey tells me hello. or when I go away in the morning Homey asks me if I want to shutdown all devices at home, a simple yes is enough to turn off all media devices, lights coffee makers etc.. Both systems have their strengths and I'm using them accordingly.

       

      Pontus Lernhag said:
      I just started digging into Homey and what it can do. I saw you app but have not explored fully. Are you able to trigger flows in your Homey using a current recipe in NEEO. For example: If I use my standard TV recipe, would it be possible to have Homey trigger something when you press a hardware button on NEEO in this recipe? Or would you need to create custom recipes? 

      I have plotted the feature list below. but that needs a bit of explanation if you have never used a homey. With my app you can build virtual devices, this is simply said a NEEO SDK device but without the node JS code provided through a GUI to the user. here you can add buttons, images sliders etc.  The homey logic consist of 3 basic columns that you use to automate stuff. they call it a flow. there is a When.. column a ...and... column and a ...then column. so when a button is pressed of your virtual driver then .... you take a card of a light bulb and voila that button is connected to that light button.

       

      Features

      virtual devices:

      • Create virtual devices and make them available to NEEO.
      • Provide the virtual device with a selectable device type. (light, TV, etc…)
      • Add buttons to your virtual devices.
      • Add sliders to your virtual devices.
      • Add switches to your virtual devices.
      • Add textlabels to your virtual devices.
      • Add images to your virtual devices.
      • Add predefined media buttons to your virtual devices.
      • Add predefined digit buttons to your virtual devices.
      • Add predefined power buttons to your virtual devices.
      • Add predefined navigation buttons to your virtual devices.
      • Added virtual devices contain a default set of buttons.

      When… flow cards:

      • "A button is pressed." This card is triggered when a button of a virtual device is pressed.
      • "A switch changed state." This card is triggered when a switch of a virtual device has changed state.
      • "A slider is changed." This card is triggered when a slider of a virtual device is changed.
      • "Event triggered." This card is triggered when a NEEO event is triggered. (recipe activated, button pressed, slider changed, etc…)

      …And… flow cards:

      • "Recipe is|isn't active." This card will condition a recipe being active or deactive.

      …Then flow cards:

      • "Activate a recipe." This card will start (Activate) the selected recipe.
      • "Shutdown a recipe." This card will shutdown (deactivate) the selected recipe.
      • "Shutdown all recipes." This card will shutdown all recipes.
      • "Press a button." This card will press the selected button on the NEEO remote.
      • "Change a Switch." This card will set the selected switch on the NEEO remote to On/Off.
      • "Change a Slider." This card will set the selected slider on the NEEO remote to a specific value.
      • "Inform slider state. (Percentage)" This card will inform the NEEO remote user interface of the given value in percentage for the selected virtual device slider.
      • "Inform slider state. (Value)" This card will inform the NEEO remote user interface of the new value for the selected virtual device slider.
      • "Inform switch state." This card will inform the NEEO remote user interface of the new value for the selected virtual device switch.
      • "Inform label or image state." This card will inform the NEEO remote user interface of the new value for the selected virtual device label or set the image based on a URL or image tag.
      • "Blink the brain LED." This card will blink the LED of the selected NEEO brain (every x time blinks for 2 seconds.)
      • Pontus Lernhag
      • Live long and prosper!
      • Pontus_Lernhag
      • 4 yrs ago
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      Niels de Klerk Thanks a lot for the extensive answer! I am definately leaning towards getting a Homey. I will continue researching tomorrow. Currently reading all I can about Homey :)

    • Pontus Lernhag to me these devices are the perfect fit.

      • Pontus Lernhag
      • Live long and prosper!
      • Pontus_Lernhag
      • 4 yrs ago
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      Niels de Klerk I received my Homey last week! I found so many cool integrations so I have not even started testing your Neeo app yet :)

    • Pontus Lernhag whaaaaaat?! 

  • At the moment NEEO is not (yet) usable as a smarthome hub. I had to learn this painfully. Therefore I installed Homey with the super app from Niels de Klerk as a supplement to NEEO and now I control all scenes directly from NEEO. For the effective home automation topics like temperature, heating, etc. I use Homey and the ingeniously simple flows.

    • Daniel Abegglen yeah but even communicating with other hubs ober http ist not imlemented. I have time write my one stuff for that. But such a think would also help to interact with ifttt or some other software out there.  

    • Sebastian Spoerer NEEO is just a couple of days in the users hands and all ready there is full intergration with two of the most adopted home automation solutions. Sure Tim and I had a head start but this shows that others are sure to follow. 

      On it’s own neeo can control zwave, iR, HUE, Lifx, CEC so a lot is already possible right now. A more complex rule system is likely to follow.

  • I dont want a nativ Support for every smarthome. I dont even want to use my old but neeo doesnt work with the supported devices. 

    • Sebastian Spoerer if you don’t want native support, then what do you want?

    • Niels de Klerk i dont want Support for other hubs but for zigbee an zwave

    • Sebastian Spoerer zwave is in there. And zigbee will get in there.

      • Christian
      • Christian
      • 4 yrs ago
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      @Niels de Klerk   

      Sorry, but that you can add a zwave device with luck and that you are able to switch it on and off does not mean that neeo supports zwave and can be used to controll you smarthome. 

  • I just a question ( Prolly stupid ) but did you need a zwave home center Box ( like a fibaro) to use a zwave device or the neeo is consider as a hub ?

    • Gauvain DUTHEIL NEEO is a zwave “hub” in zwave terms it’s a controller. NEEO can both be a primary controller (the only hub in your zwave network) or be a secondary controller (connect to an existing primary controller).

  • Hello, I was reading your conversation, and since I finished acquiring my neo, I am looking for the possibility of creating buttons that execute URL requests, and thus be able to send actions of the style, http: //IP_SERVER:8000/startScene. Is it currently possible to do this with NEEO, add custom buttons on the screen and then schedule it for URL requests?

    • Victor I dont know a was to do http calls a nativ way. But for me it is a essential way to connect things neeo can not handle. 

      And writing an own application for wach http call is Not realy handy. 

    • Victor Sebastian Spoerer

      There are only one natural way to do so actually:

      Writing an SDK Driver and let it run on an external device witch is giving you the Buttons to NEEO.

      The "Workaround" Way can be:

      Add a device you don't own and use NEEO's forward action function to call a url, but then you need to check what NEEO is sending out and "translate" it for your http request.

      • Victor
      • Victor
      • 4 yrs ago
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      Markus Mahr  Sebastian Spoerer

      I don't find the devices that have the function of executing http commands ... I have not found them ... I do not know if they will have added something new ...

      And for domoticas housings that are controlled with Control4, or that have a KNX installation, can not be used.

    • Victor 

      There ist noch native way unfortunaly. You need a Pi an the SDK and for every command you need to edit your custom Code. No real usecase for Dailymotion usage. 

      Neeo realy need something Like thus to be Open for ifttt and the whole Internet

    • Sebastian Spoerer Victor NEEO is a full Zwave controller and can both be primary and secondary controller. 

      NEEO seamlessly intergrates with OpenHab using Tim Roberts intergration. OpenHab can run on a RasberryPi or faster computer and has a good UI that can be used to integrate with other products making it an affordable "all can do" system.

      I have written a integration to support NEEO and Homey. Homey is a retail product that doesn't require any Linux skill, Has all thinkable radio's like WiFi, BT, Zwave, ZigBee, 344Mhz, 868Mhz and NFC.

      Both our code is open and anyone can use it to write an integration for their favorite HA system. NEEO's SDK API is extremely powerful, making it virtually support any system. These integrations do need to come from the community, I have invested months of coding and I suspect Tim has to, Just to give you an idea.

      Off course you can also make use of NEEO SDK Drivers.

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