Device with power saving feature

Hi all,

First of all, I hope this is the right place to post this.

I have a soundbar which has a power saving feature which turns itself off if it receives no audio for 15 mins. This feature is not able to be turned off on the soundbar (as far as I have tried to find, it is the Sony HT-180)

So if I pause TV for example and walk away for 15 mins, when i come back the soundbar is off. To turn it back on I would have to run the off recipe for the soundbar (as it thinks the soundbar is still on) and turn it back on. So I found it easier to actually use the original remote of the soundbar to turn it back on until I had the idea to add the "power toggle" button to the NEEO remote so I can press it there (note the "power on" button doesn't seem to work as it doesn't sent the command if it thinks the soundbar is on). This manual method works OK, unless I press the toggle button by accident :P

But what I really want to do is to find an automated solution. I have Home Assistant running in my house so I tried to run an automation to check the state of the TV, if it is on, then send the "power on" macro through the NEEO API every 15 mins. But as with the manual approach, this doesn't work as NEEO doesn't send the command if it thinks the soundbar is on. I can't send the power toggle as this will turn off my soundbar if it is actually on. I tried sending other commands like volume up/down to keep the soundbar "active" every few minutes but it doesn't work either (it is not ideal anyway as this affects the volume for a second)

Any suggestions on what else I can try? I am sure I am missing something stupid. So the main problem is NEEO doesn't know the new state of the device if the device turns itself off.

Thanks

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  • Vincent Teo This is not a solution to your problem, but Neeo currently does not track the power state of devices.  If an IR signal is not received when you start a recipe,  re-starting the recipe should send all signals, including power on to all devices.  Should work for you the same way when the sound bar goes into sleep mode.  Try turning off your tv or cable box with original remote, and then rerun power on recipe without shutting down recipe and see if those devices are getting power on commands.  Having to power off the recipe first seems odd.  Andy should be able to help.

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    • Dave H I do not believe that is accurate. For example if you have a cable box recipe and a media player recipe that turns on the TV, if you run the cable box recipe it will turn on the TV and if you try running the media player recipe after that (without running the turn cable box off recipe), the turn on TV signal will not be sent. That's what I notice anyway.

      As with the API, I if i trigger the power on recipe for a device (via the REST API), and then trigger it again, the second time will do nothing.

      I will try do more tests.

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    • Did some tests, all done using API or original remote:

      Power on recipe x2

      Soundbar remains on

      Power on recipe - Power off recipe - Power on recipe

      Soundbar goes on - off - on

      Power on recipe - power off using original remote - power on recipe

      Soundbar goes on - off and remains off

      Power on macro x 2

      Soundbar remains on

      Power on macro - Power off macro - Power on macro

      Soundbar goes on - off - on

      Power on macro - power off using original remote - power on recipe

      Soundbar goes on - off and remains off

      Power on recipe - power on macro

      Soundbar remain on

      Power on recipe - power off recipe - power on macro

      Soundbar goes on - off - on

      Power on recipe - power off macro - power on macro

      Soundbar goes on - off - on

      Power on using original remote - power off recipe

      Soundbar stays on

      Power on using original remote - power off macro

      Soundbar stays on

      Power on using original remote - power on recipe - power off recipe

      Soundbar stays on then off

      Power on using original remote - power on recipe - power off macro

      Soundbar stays on then off

       

      Conclusion: it does appear to hold some sort of "state". Seems like it is trigger by the macro on/off itself as I assume the recipes calls the macros. There is no examples of triggering just an IR command in the examples here: https://planet.neeo.com/t/x1trmk/api-examples-to-get-started

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      • Andy
      • Andy
      • 4 yrs ago
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      Vincent Teo Dave H

      We are actually kind of tracking the power status for discrete power commands. Before the next power on is sent, a power off must sent and in the opposite.

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    • Andy Is there any way of forcing the sending of an IR command regardless of state via the API?

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      • Beni
      • Beni
      • 4 yrs ago
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      Andy Is there a reason for this behaviour? It wouldnt change anything if a descrete power command would be sent multiple times in a row, but it would save lots of problems (when using the original remote for a device, or CEC power commands, or an app, chromecast etc.)

       

      I opened a thread about the powet handling long time ago but didnt get any good answer/solution for my isssues (which is pme of the main reason I cannot use NEEO as my daily driver and had to switch back to my harmony)

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    • Vincent Teo I stand corrected.

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    • Beni Andy

      I believe this can be solved somewhat to keep the state change on the discrete commands but allow the discrete commands to be sent no matter what the state is. The check whether NEEO wants to send the power commands based on state can be kept on the recipe level.

      But if NEEO wants to keep the current system, please allow a override to ignore state in the API when sending the command.

      Hope you guys will consider these options.

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  • Vincent Teo

    Little late on this thread - but you do know that soundbar supports ARC?  If your TV supports ARC (which most in the last 5 years do), then the TV will manage the soundbar for you.  I don't know how you have the TV/soundbar configured - but if you are running the HDMI through the soundbar - simply plug the HDMI out into whichever HDMI in the TV has to support ARC.  If you are using component or digital audio, get a HDMI cable, plug it into the HDMI out on the soundbar and plug the other into whatever HDMI in port that the TV supports ARC on.

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    • Tim Roberts  Thanks for the suggestion but unfortunately the soundbar does not have a HDMI port. Its not a very good soundbar haha.

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