Shape the NEEO future
Today we have announced that NEEO is joining the Control4 family. Read the blog post here: the huge news NEEO has released today This is a huge change. We mentioned in the post:
We totally understand that you don’t want your NEEO to stop working. Some of you may be interested in doing more – providing support or development work for current NEEO customers. We are open to discussions if you have an interest. We can’t promise anything, yet we are open to all discussions. You have ideas in that regard? You want to be part of that future?
This thread is intended to gather your ideas.
We are here to listen.
Every thought is welcome!
In the sense of keeping this thread future-oriented, please do post general feedback to the news over here.
Niels wrote a great app for Homey, hopefully that will remain so we can still add devices via Homey. work on IRlearning for the remaining two years, give us something to work with! I hate to see it die after two years.
we should be able to keep using the remote as we do, adding devices and changing our recipes, even if the androidApp and iOsApp is gone.
if it can just work on a stand alone basis then its something, if this release holds up for 24 months its stable enough to run through to the end of its hardware based life
- Remove Cloud ties.
- Keep the possibility to add/remove new devices. (custom devices)
- Make it open source (Software for remote, brain and backend)
- IR Learning mode
- Make it possible to use bluetooth, zwave etc. so we can make the stuff you've never implemented but always promised like plex etc.
Having built various drivers I think it's necessary to open up the SDK further to allow control over the radios that are available in the Brain, in particular bluetooth and IR.
In the thread regarding NVIDIA shield CEC support 5 months ago (https://planet.neeo.com/t/m2r7ss) the following was said:
We will publish an SDK example showing you how to create Bluetooth based drivers. Having this implemented, we are releasing new such drivers on a regular base - with the community invited to contribute as well, of course. Firstly, we are implementing standard Bluetooth HID devices. And this small number of drivers will allow direct control of thousands of Bluetooth devices with your NEEO.
I've learned to take these kinds of promises from NEEO with a bag of salt, but for the future of NEEO without servers to download devices from this will become a necessity.
EDIT: I hope I don't have to mention IR learning is a must have on universal remotes...
Wouldn't it be rewarding to dedicate a very small team within Control4 to still take care of the loyal and supportive NEEO customers by still supporting them? That would probably not cost a fortune and might even allow to win some of the NEEO buyers as Control 4 customers. IMHO that would have been a "fair" deal for the loyal and supportive community who contributed substantially to make NEEO a success! Sad to see it going the way it looks. I always thought of Swiss companies caring more about their customers
It is sad to see NEEO go, especially as an ex-NEEO employee, I really believed in this idea, unfortunately it never came to be as imagined.
If NEEO decides to open source the firmware (or at least the brain - CP6) that would allow for the community to take over the development and allow for support for their devices. I would be happy to contribute to it and help others do that as well.
Please make sure that after 24 months that I'm not stuck with just a beautiful aluminium stick and that it is somehow still able to be used with everything that is supported right now, and that the community is able to continue to build their own solutions.
I hope you listen to all the feedback that is given.
Logitech Media Server (LMS) is an example, where open-souring the software worked with !minimal support from Logitech, to keep the product running for many more years (7+)!
Quote from Wikipedia:
In 2006, Slim Devices was acquired by Logitech for $20 million USD. Logitech continued the development of the player until they announced in August 2012 that it would be discontinued. The online service mysqueezebox.com, needed to use a Squeezebox without a private server, is still being maintained by Logitech. Given the cross-platform nature of the server and software client, some users have ensured the continued use of the platform by utilizing the Raspberry Pi as dedicated Squeezebox device (both client and server).
Several people used the NEEO SDK to integrate controlling LMS into NEEO. Not bad for a product which was discontinued in 2012!
Thanks to Raspberry Pi etc. even more recent hardware is possible.
Raphael Patrick Please have a look how Logitech handled the discontinuation of Logitech Media Server!
Mike Whooley said:
The Harmony remotes have similar functionality, but IMO are way behind in terms of design.
Yeah, maybe, but looks aside and most of all it WORKS (even with Alexa) So, it's what I (continued to) use.
Gilles van den Hoven said:
if licenses are an issue
no, the issue is the people behind that decision - won't happen.
Rolf Blidborg said:
Please make sure that after 24 months that I'm not stuck with just a beautiful aluminium stick
I'm afraid the only one to make sure is yourself - by selling it rather sooner than later.
How to continue it after 24months is very simple! Control 4 market the remote and sell it as a far cheaper option than whole home automation. Effectively two products, one for home automation (existing Control4 products etc) and one for the end user who doesn’t have the funds but still wants a posh remote ‘Control4 everyone’ pretty much improve the current product and carry on selling it!!
Just a thought, but shouldn't it be possible to add IR codes thru a "offline" database via NEEO driver, the same way you use Kodi, OpenHAB etc? Of course it means that the IR database have to be rebuilt from scratch, but it seems possible. You could just put the driver on a Raspberry or some other device and add it to NEEO Brain.
When adding stuff from my OpenHAB, the items pops up when searching for it in the app itself, same thing with Kodi driver. It should be possible to do the same thing with IR codes to, if the SDK itself allows adding additional IR codes that is.
to everyone out there, Neeo is gone, dont kid yourselves. There will not be an opensource of this software, Control4 have acquired all IP.
Control4 will not sell to individuals, and the price of the Remote and Brain will only go up, not down. The firmware will be removed and replaced by Control4s software as used on there own remotes or modified to such an extent to be unused by any other system.
the 24 months period is enough time to escape any legal repercussions from users, as it gives them a large enough time period for a new purchase to offer support and services before an acceptable EOL cycle.
Basically we have 18months - 2 years to use the remote and find an alternative.
I propose this, THE ANDI ONE, an old remote that was produced years ago and never succeeded, it was before its time. But now would be a boon for the IOT market.
I think if we can all persuade the manufacturer Conspin to reproduce this in a more current version of android 7, we could do wonders with this remote.
http://conspins.com/contact/ Here is the contact details, lets flood them with requests!!
You had a dream and now you have a choice. You can let your dream die right here and now or you can let your dream live on.
i would like to strongly ask to put NEEO in public domain by
1) providing access to your source code, systems, and JIRA to allow the community to make NEEO even better
2) provide developer resources to make the changes required to allow a smooth transition to an open source effort and jump start this project
In two years time you will be proud of what you have accomplished and what the community has accomplished.
Thanks from me and 6000 Kickstarter supporters and all other NEEO customers.
I'm very happy with my NEEO in the state it is currently in. I'm bummed. My biggest concern right now is that I won't be able to add new devices as my system grows/evolves. Is there at least a way to create an open source remote code library? I will use this until the hardware literally dies, as long as I am able to add devices.
Provide the cloud software as a desktop application for users to manage and provide updates to their devices. If there was a reasonable cost to this rework of the software, I would think some people would be ok with that to allow use of their investments in Neeo. You could even remove the multi-tenancy if you want. Users that want to play with the code can do so and push updates. Others that may want to just update IR database can do so as well. I'm sure the community will help and provide some tutorials around some of the basics so that the users that can't code can still implement some features to keep it going. The desktop app should also be able to do all the functions of the mobile app for those buying a unit used can still manage and set up the Neeo. As I assume the app will get removed from the app stores. Even if you don't have a GUI front end to the software, make it a github repository and let the community and users develop it and support each other.