Ikea Tradfri smart plugs?
I've just seen Ikea are starting to release smart-plugs internationally this October. I know the bulbs are supported, but will the smart plugs also be?
I currently use the Neeo just for the home entertainment centre, and just use a cheapo set of smart-plugs with a dedicated IR remote for my other appliances). It'd be great to use it for lighting/appliances as well.
Am I right in thinking these work over Wifi, so I don't need a Brain in every room, I'll be able to control these with just the one Remote & Brain (it's a small apartment, so should be no issue with Wifi coverage).
Raphael Thanks again for your advice on these.
I've ordered some Tradfri smart-plugs, but don't really know anything about the Tradfri system. Do you know if these will work directly with the Neeo brain, or do I also need to buy a Tradfri gateway device?
These are the plugs I bought. It doesn't make any mention of Wifi, just these details:
Type: E1704 wireless control outlet
Input: 100-240V, 50-60Hz
Max output power: 2990W
Range: 10 m in open air. For indoor use only
Operating frequency: 2405-2480Mhz
Output power: 14 dBm
Many thanks again!
Thanks Fonzo , Markus Mahr , nuro for the info!
Ok, so I need a gateway too, and Neeo (Brain?) will work with that. So, one of these?
I don't have any plans (yet) for using the Tradfri smart-bulbs, just the Tradfri smart-plugs. I'm hoping that only having one Brain (though I plan to add another soon) and one Tradfri gateway will cover all rooms in the apartment (it's not that big).
Looking through the Ikea/Tradfri sites I was surprised there wasn't a simple introduction. "To get started, here's the minimum you need. Here's what other devices you need, or optionally can add on. Here's how they connect (Ethernet/Wifi/other WF). It works in one room/several rooms etc... There seemed to be lots of references to Hue/Homekit/Alexa without a simple explanation of how they interact.
Then again, I even had problems initially understanding how Neeo worked. It would have helped then if there was a simple:
- Simplest case; you need a Neeo Brain (which controls your devices via Wifi (If on the same network), Infra-red (if in same room), and HDMI (if connected to the same HDMI daisy-chain, and your devices support 'HDMI-CEC'.
- You also need the Neeo app on your iPhone/Android to configure and control the Brain and your devices; and this connects to your Brain via Wifi.
- (Optional) You can also buy the Neeo Remote, which connects to your Brain via (2.4GHz) Wifi, and the Brain then passes the commands onto the configured devices.
It's all very obvious now, but it wasn't then. 🙂
In light of recent news, this seems like a bit of an irrelevant thread... But anyhow. Funny that the Ikea Tradfri plugs and gateway arrived on the same day that the Neeo platform was effectively EOL'ed.
To make matters worse - I learned after purchasing the smartplugs that I'd need a gateway as well, the Neeo Brain on its own wouldn't suffice. After receiving the plugs and gateway and trying to set it up via the (Ikea) app, it turns out I need another "steering device" (a remote control, effectively) to pair the plugs/bulbs with gateway.
It seems an extraordinarily complex setup for such a simple task. Required:
- Neeo brain
- Ikea gateway
- Ikea steering device (remote control... even though I never intend to use it)
- Ikea smart plugs/bulbs
- Neeo app
- Tradfri app
...and of course I also have the Neeo Remote, since the whole point was to control lights & devices from the "TV" remote.
Most annoying, is how ineffective companies (Ikea, AND Neeo) are at explaining the basics and requirements.
(Feels a bit weird still adding devices when the future of the Neeo setup is so unclear, but in case anyone's interested..)
The Tradfri remote device arrived yesterday, so could finally get all this set up. First impressions (of Tradfri, moreso than Neeo) is that it's very disappointing! In comparison with my existing, cheap "non smart" setup (Bye Bye Standby IR plug kits) :
- Far more expensive
- Far less flexible (no easy way to set up 'groups' of devices etc.)
- Awkward to pair new devices.
- Can't control individual devices via Gateway/Neeo.
As far as I can see, there's no way to set up groups of devices to be turned on/off via a single button press; other than buying one remote/switch for each group of devices. And the whole point of home automation is to simplify, not add multiple redundant devices.
The pairing process is a bit painful too. With my old setup, I'd flick a switch on the smart plug, plug it in and that's it. I can easily have any number of devices turned on/off with a single button press, and can have up to 8 different groups.
With the Tradfri: use a screwdriver to open the back of the remote control, hold the remote within 2cm of the plug and press the button hidden inside the battery compartment for 10 seconds, checking the status light for flashing. The reason I'm using smart plugs is because I have wall plugs in hard-to-reach places, so reaching in, to place the remote next to it, holding it within 2cm, and trying to observe a status light that's under the plug and behind the cable is..... awkward to say the least.
And I can't see any way of using Neeo to control individual lights/plugs. I can either turn everything on or off, but not individual devices - without buying additional remotes anyway. It is possible via the Tradfri smartphone app, but not via Neeo.
Sadly, that last one means the Tradfri has been a complete waste of time for me. I'd need to buy 3 more Tradfri remotes just to be able to create the set up the groups of devices I need, which could then be thrown away since I only want to use the one (Neeo) remote for everything.
Why is home automation so hard? 🙂
Update: Well, you can ignore much of the above! I finally got it all working as needed, though with some minor caveats/bugs :
- (On the Tradfri side) if you create a new 'room', I had to add a device to it straight away, or it disappeared from the room list, which meant I couldn't add anything to it!
- (On the Neeo side) after adding 'rooms', I needed to remove and re-add the Ikea Gateway device in order to see any configuration changes (new rooms etc.) on the Tradfri setup.
So now it's all working pretty sweetly. One recipe which has a launch action of turning on a light/plug set, another with a launch action to turn it off; and a pair like these for each set of lights/plugs that I need. Added a "Show Controls" action to the Recipe which contains the dimmer bulb - I THINK this only shows the dimmer slider and not the colour selector, but I can live with that.