Infrared Extension

I have a few questions as this remote will be used with a rack of equipment located in another part of the home.

1. I assume the IR output jack on the Brain is 3.5mm with the tip being a positive +12VDC?

2. Has anyone connected a IR distribution block to the Brain?  Any issues?

3. Please note, note items will be controlled by Ethernet BUT there may be a device or two (set tp box) that may need IR emitters (not blast) as the brain will be in the rack behind the equipment.

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  • I have a similar situation, I want to place AV equipment in a rack in a separate room that adjoins a dedicated theatre room. I have the option of either connecting (hard wiring) the brain in the home WiFi LAN or getting a dedicated Wireless router specifically for the home theatre room and then connecting the Neeo remote to it for isolation and reliability (I presume the Neeo remote communicates with the brain via WiFi). If the brain is placed in the rack too, will it effectively communicate with all the AV gear ? or do I need to place it away from the rack (opposite the front faces of all the AV gear) for it to be effective ?

    Furthermore, I will need to control the projector in the theatre room and I guess the best way to do that is to run a 3.5mm stereo male to female extension cord in order to get an emitter to it.

    Although the WiFi signal from the wireless router placed in the AV equipment room would cover the theatre room too reasonably well, I could place the router discreetly in the theatre room and run an ethernet cable from the router to the brain in the AV Equipment room.

    In addition to controlling the AV gear, I'd like to integrate lighting control too by using a Z-Wave relay switch or dimmer switch. Again, I presume the Z-wave radio signal is emitted by the brain. Since the brain would be placed in the AV Equipment room, would my Z-Wave relay switch have to be in the same room for it to be effective ?

    I'm sure the Neeo will have a simple and intuitive interface allowing users to set individual equipment switch-on and switch-off delays to create and save smart tasks (macros). For example I could have the lights turn-on to half strength when a movie is paused and then have them switch-off just before the movie is resumed. 

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  • Walt zerbe said:
    1. I assume the IR output jack on the Brain is 3.5mm with the tip being a positive +12VDC?

    I have to check that with our engineers, I honestly don't now right now.

     

    Walt zerbe said:
    2. Has anyone connected a IR distribution block to the Brain?  Any issues?

    Some members of our beta team have tried using splitters, and if I remember correctly that worked. Do you have a specific extension block in mind? I will try to figure out what the max. is you are supposed to connect (current).

     

    Sam Ash Yes, the NEEO Remote needs Wifi to be fully functional, in addition to that there is another connection in between the NEEO Brain and the NEEO Remote called "NEEO Link". But there is no need to have an isolate Wifi network. Before setting up a new router, I would just give it a try with your current setup.

    It depends a bit on the size of your rack and how everything is setup. An image would help, then I could give you some hints. In general it works within the rack though since the NEEO Brain emits IR in 360 degrees from the top and the bottom. When the rack is closed additional reflections even help. So there should be no need to place your NEEO Brain far away.

    For the beamer it depends on the location of the IR receiver on the beamer itself, the placement of your NEEO Brain or the additional IR emitter and the location of your rack. Did I understand correctly that the beamer is the only IR device being controlled which is in the theatre room and not the rack in the separate room?

    Z-Wave shouldn't have any problems to go through walls. Well, the range is decreased, but I wouldn't expect any problems with that based on my personal experience.

    We call "macros" recipes. When you will be setting up your NEEO your will be asked some questions, based on that the most important recipes are then created automatically. After the initial setup you can add additional ones manually or edit the created ones.

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  • Walt zerbe OK, the output of the jack for the IR emitter is 10VDC, and the current is limited to 70mA.

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      • Sam Ash
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      Patrick Thanks Patrick, I really appreciate your input. This is something that I will be doing in the near future. The rack will be a simple non-enclosed rack that will have a 4K blu ray player, AV processor, a SAT-TV box, Cable TV Box and maybe a media player. So about 4 or 5 devices. I don't want an enclosed rack so I guess I can place the Brain in the rack, because it is a small room, the signal may bounce off the walls too which will help. However, I will need to run a 10m or 15m IR 3.5mm male to female Stereo extension cable to bring IR signal to the ceiling mounted projector. Do you think that will work ?

      Alternatively, I can mount the Brain flat on the back wall in the theatre room instead of placing it in the equipment room. This will enable the Brain to control the projector via IR and lights via Z-Wave in the theatre room. I can then run an extension cable with an IR blaster into the adjoining equipment room.

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      • Patrick@NEEO
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      • Patrick
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      Sam Ash I think it should theoretically work, but I honestly don't know if anybody has tested such a long cable. I have asked around, it seems we have tested "very long" cables, but nobody was able to tell me how long these actually were.

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  • Am I correct that an (360°) IR Extender will be part of every NEEO package?

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      • Patrick@NEEO
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      • Patrick
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      Beni Yes, we ship an IR extender with every NEEO Brain.

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      • Sam Ash
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      Patrick Could your engineers kindly confirm what kind of cable could be used to further extend the IR Extender so that it is roughly 10m or 15m long. Would a 3.5mm stereo male to female cable work ?

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      • Patrick@NEEO
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      • Patrick
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      Sam Ash It is a 3.5mm jack cable. The normal connection is only two contacts, so mono. I will ask if stereo works too.

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      • Patrick@NEEO
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      • Patrick
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      Sam Ash OK, according to our engineers the a stereo cable works just as good.

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  • Patrick said:
    Yes, the NEEO Remote needs Wifi to be fully functional, in addition to that there is another connection in between the NEEO Brain and the NEEO Remote called "NEEO Link".

    Oh, what type of connection is this? I've ordered two remotes and one brain. One remote will be in the basement, and the brain will be in the living room. The only connection is the WiFi. There is thick concrete between brain and basement-remote, so there is no chance for a direct signal to go through.

    I hope the remote will work with ony the WiFi link? I've asked this before ordering and the response was "they have to be in the same network".

    So whats up about this "NEEO Link"?

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      • Tom H
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      If the specs from Kickstarter are still accurate, the NEEO Remote & Brain was to communicate over 6LowPAN. NEEO Link is likely a way to brand/market the connection to not overwhelm non-technical consumers.

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    • Tom H  Jérôme Matter

      6LowPan also saves battery allowing the remote to 'live' longer.  

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      • Patrick@NEEO
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      • Patrick
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      Jérôme Matter All that has been said is correct so far, we are using NEEO Link (6lowpan) and WiFi. WiFi is mostly used for transfer big amounts of data (i. e. images), for commands 6lp is used, but if that is not available your NEEO Remote automatically falls back to WiFi without having a delay. 

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    • Tom H Tim Roberts Patrick 

      Thanks for the clarifications, all set up then 👍

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  • For others:

    I have a fairly normal setup of TV, & cabinet with Xbox on one side, rest of the AV on the other.  Std brain and extender can't cover all unless the brain is sitting on my couch with me... (why no IR on the remote is beyond me).

    I tried a split emitter with a stereo plug (vs. mono) and only 1 emitter worked,

    I then used a mono splitter and Neeo extender & another emitter I had, only the new emitter worked,

    I then replaced the Neeo extender with another basic emitter and that worked, so it looks like the Neoo extender is more of a blaster and uses more juice.  I'd also guess that 2 emitters is the max.  

    My IR distribution block power supply failed, so I haven't tried that out yet, but I'm afraid I'll be placing the dist block IR receiver next to the brain, only to capture the IR signal, so then I can distribute it to 3 locations via simple emitters.  This is like 5 steps back, 1 forward and a total failure in design & real life usage.  I feel really sorry for anyone that has a projector or other remote IR needs.       

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