Zigbee / Zwave question
Is Neeo an actual hub for my sensors, or does Neeo simply control my sensors through my existing hub?
Chris, I'm fairly certain (based on my earlier followings around this same topic) that the Neeo can act as both primary ZWave controller, meaning there is no need for anything else but also as a secondary, if you prefer to use another controller.
regarding zigbee, it is my understanding we still need an additional hub.
hopefully someone can confirm both points for sure, but this is how I understand it!
Thanks for the feedback. Unfortunately most of my devices are zigbee, so it sounds like I will need something to plug into the NEEO to see/control those.
I'm not sure if I fully understand the difference- years ago I read the zigbee was faster and more reliable so I bought zigbee whenever I could. Is zigbee not as popular these days?
*Smarthing smart sense multi sensors
*Securifi Peanut Plugs
*GE Wink Bulbs (many different models)
*Cree Connected Bulbs.
About 85% of my system is Zigbee. Smarthings seems to be one of the front runner HA systems here- though I dont use their hub, I use their zigbee sensors, they are quite common. Also the only HA bulbs that are stocked at big box stores like Home Depot other than HUE are the above mentioned Cree and Wink. Probably by far the most widely used outside of HUE.
I'm quite interested in this actually, but have literally zero experience with either zigbee or z wave outside of the Philips Hue system, of which I have a number of bulbs in use. Being in the UK, the whole 'parallel' dimmer switch side of things is irritating me - people keep switching off the light switch instead of using the hue dimmer. I've been looking into z wave switch control, but wasn't keen on adding ANOTHER hub to my already (relatively) crowded system. I presume this means that the NEEO could act as a primary controller if I installed some z wave dimmer switches to control standard bulbs in some of my rooms?
Nim Wickramasinghe said:
I presume this means that the NEEO could act as a primary controller if I installed some z wave dimmer switches to control standard bulbs in some of my rooms?
Nim , depending on whree you are based, there are more (and potentionally lower priced )alternatives to the Busch Jaeger solution. Gira and Jugn for example also do list ZLL switches that can be programmed to control your lights - I don't know abiout the Jung, but tested the Gira and since based on Touchlink, it even doesn't require the Hue Hub to be involved at all. Still, everything outside this ecosystem feels a little clumsy to implement adn thus I am preferring to mechanically hack the Hue Tap into an Enocean switch of my lighting system. Not exactly cheaper but it keeps the esthetics and is more versatile. I am very curious to finally explore how smooth Neos integration of Z-Wave dimmers into the Hue system works - actually I want to go the opposite way and use Z-Wave dimmers to control my remaining non Hue lights within one GUI.
Nim Wickramasinghe said:
I was under the impression that Hue bulbs did badly with dimming switches other than their proprietary dimmer...certainly with traditional dimmers they don't work.
I'm not sure if everybody is talking about the same here (you are talking about dimming while most answers refer to switches).
To my limited knowledge (but I just installed some Fibaro z-wave switches & dimmers) it's *not* best practice to have a dimmer "in front" of another dimmer. This typically does not properly work with traditional lamps (e.g. halogen) but will not work at all with LEDs. I understand to dim LEDs the power is pulsed (switched on and off) at a high frequency and adding another dimmer (even one that is able to handle LEDs) will not be in sync with the pulse of the other dimmer so I think:
- You should (can't?) add another dimmer e.g. in front of a HUE system (as it is using LEDs and has an integrated dimmer). What you can do is add a (e.g. z-wave) *switch* (I think that is what Niels de Klerk is talking about)
- If you have a LED lamp without a dimmer: you need a (z-wave) dimmer which can be used with LEDs (e.g. Fibaro has one called "RGBW Controller") or a switch
- If you have a traditional lamp you want to dim via z-wave you should remove the original dimmer of the lamp (or use a switch)
Tom Schneider : correct, those (as the 3rd party unitsa) are not exactly dimmers but rather multiple button remotes instead where you can assign dim up/down to dedicated buttons. The BJ are a little exception here as they also offer integrated dimmer or switch options, whichmeans you can control this through HUE as you would with the now obsolete Living White Plugs (or Osram Lightyfy plug sans dimming).
So there are actually 2 scenarios to separate:
1: Dim ZLL bulbs (e.g Hue) through Zigbee or Z-Wave remotes (Hue Tap,Hue Dimmer Switch, Gira, Fibaro switch)
2: control 3rd party dimmers like BJ ZigBee or Fibaro Z-Wave through NEEO
Been following this thread since the beginning as I'm working with the beginnings of a Zigbee setup at home. Just thought I'd share my experiences so far and what I'm planning in the future.
I currently have one hue bulb, the rest is based on FLS-PP Lp and Raspbee Gateway from Dresden Elektronik and I also have two Lightify plugs from Osram. The advantage I find from using this gateway vs. the hue hub is that the Raspbee is not only ZLL compatible but can also deal with some HA components. I have recently purchased a Rainbee 16 to control irrigation and it was easily recognized and setup.
Most of my main lighting is still non-smart, though and I've been controlling everything smart via the webapp provided by the Raspbee, except for the one LED-Strip which I'm turning on and off via conventional switch (e.g. cutting the power to the wireless ballast).
My next challenges will be including the normal, non-smart lighting in this system (don't want to change all the bulbs in the house to hue, too expensive) and changing the switches at the same time. Only way I've found until now that might work (have not tested it yet) is with the Busch Jaeger program. I've checked out the Gira and Jugn and they both look very good. However, the main difference between those two and Busch is that Busch provides switching and dimming inserts to be installed in place of the current switches. These would then be added to the ZLL network and you would be able to control standard lighting via Zigbee. You can (and should) then add a control surface over the top of said insert to send ZLL commands. Gira and Jugn only provide switches that send ZLL commands, as far as I can tell from what I read. There is also an insert from Osram Lightify Pro, however it would not be compatible with the Raspbee and I'm not looking to change my gateway as I would loose other compatibilities.
Now, the only thing I'm currently missing is a nicer way of controlling this system via phone, tablet or laptop. While the Raspbee's webapp works well and has all the basic functionalities, it does look a bit dreary and the sprinkler circuits are displayed as lights. I've found the iSmartenit App to look more the part, with the possibility of creating and managing rooms, etc. However, it will only work with a Smartenit gateway, which won't detect most of my system. There is an option on the Raspbee's webapp to register 3rd party apps to control it (i.e. the hue app controlling the Raspbee for example) but so far nothing I've found that would suit me. I should maybe point out that I've only very basic and outdated HTML and PHP coding skills, so I won't be able to develop anything anytime soon.
As for NEEO, well, I'm excited to see how it will play into all this. I was essentially thinking of including lighting in my recipes. Turning down the lights (if they are on) as soon as I turn on the TV, for instance. It will also allow me to not reach for my smartphone, unlock it, open a webpage to control lighting in my home. Ideally, I would like to add some blinds control via the io-homecontrol protocol, but there's no word on whether NEEO will be capable of working with that protocol or not.
Sorry for the long post, hope it will help out some people looking for answers and, who know, maybe someone has a suggestion for a control app/web--interface...
Andre Breiler said:
I can't find "Hue" in the support database.
If you refer to the "Works with NEEO" database, my understanding is that it currently only lists IR devices.
Hue is supported through an API, not Zigbee.