How do I use a recipe to turn on and off?

I have attached devices to several output sources, e.g. movies are played either on a TV or with a projector. Also, my AV receiver has several zones. So far, I have not found a meaningful way to set this up with NEEO.

I can first setup a device, eg. a satellite receiver and will be asked on the first time of  starting how the device is connected. So far so good.

Now I would like to use the same device (e.g., sat receiver), for playing e.g. movies not  only on the TV but also the projector.

What's the best way to do this with NEEO?

I tried to create my own recipe, but with this way it was only possible for me to start all devices. How do I create a recipe which can start devices and then turn off all the devices with the same recipe again when the button is pressed once again like a device recipe?

I've tried to add a device two or three times, but is this really the only way to somehow solve this with a workrround? I am absolutely not satisfied with this way. Because on the one hand it allows me to create a recipe in the way it should be, on the other side I have devices three times listed under devices,  although I own only one device that is only connected to multiple output sources.

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  • Hi,  Fonzo Thank you for reaching out to us. Have you already seen this topic?

    You said:

    Now I would like to use the same device (e.g., sat receiver), for playing e.g. movies not only on the TV but also the projector.  

    What's the best way to do this with NEEO?

    You can always add the same device again or you can use a dummy device. (Search for Dummy) I would recommend adding the same device again. Then you can adjust your Recipe with needed steps, add shortcuts, rename it and use it for a different purpose. 

    You said:

    I tried to create my own recipe, but with this way it was only possible for me to start all devices. How do I create a recipe which can start devices and then turn off all the devices with the same recipe again when the button is pressed once again like a device recipe?

    You can always get more from the "advanced recipes" by just adding your devices again, as I mentioned above. If you need to get a better understanding of a reliable recipe composition, please go to "Recipes" and open one of the automatically created recipes.(Edit launch)

    Then you can have a look at all recipe steps. This will help you by creating recipes manually.

    Please note that at the moment our manually created recipes do have their limits. We are already working on some improvements. 

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      • Fonzo
      • Fonzo
      • 5 mths ago
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      Thank you for your response an the helpfull information.

      You can always add the same device again or you can use a dummy device. (Search for Dummy) I would recommend adding the same device again. Then you can adjust your Recipe with needed steps, add shortcuts, rename it and use it for a different purpose. 

      The dummy device was new to me, but this could be quite usefull for different purposes. Could you add please also a dummy device for Light. With a Light Dummy it would be easy to send a command via forward action to external systems and you would have the correct icon for the home screen. In case the Light has no feedback implemented, like 433MHZ systems, there is no need for a custom driver from the external system,  because the device sends either way no feedback to NEEO. So a Light Dummy has only basic function for turn on / off.

      For systems with feedback function it is necessary to provide a driver from the external system. But with a light dummy you could save a lot of work for systems without feedback.

       

      You can always get more from the "advanced recipes" by just adding your devices again, as I mentioned above. If you need to get a better understanding of a reliable recipe composition, please go to "Recipes" and open one of the automatically created recipes.(Edit launch)

      Ok I understand, but is that the way intended? Normally I would expect a separation of equipment and actions. In these case there is no more separation between device and action because i need for every action with the same device a new device, which is also listed in the device section from NEEO. Perhaps it would be possible to set up in a future firmware to create more actions with only one (existing) device.

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  • Niels de Klerk

    Here is a picture of my setup that is not very unusual. I want to change from the scene with output TV to the scene beamer, while the input source remains the same only the output source changes. So there is no need to switch off the input source as well as the amplifier, these are already on.

     

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  • Hi Fonzo. Thanks for the visual.

    I see two options you can use, depending on what you preffer.

    Option 1a

    This one allows you to either start using the projector and switch to TV and visaversa.
    If you want to switch from one viewing point to the other just press the home buttun on the remote and select the oposite recipe. All devices will stay on except the TV/Projector you are not using.

    Install the cable box driver two times with different names, for instance named "cable TV" and "cable Projector" I suspect that this will fail when the cable box is marked as "stupid", i don't have stupid devices so i'm not sure about that.

    The startup recipe of "cable TV" should look something like this:

    • Power on TV
    • Power on AVR
    • Power on "cable TV"
    • Wait
    • Change Input of TV
    • Change input of AVR
    • Power Off Projectior
    • Show "cable TV" controlls
    • Use AVR for volume controll

    Power off:

    • Power off TV
    • Power off AVR
    • Power off "cable TV"
    • Power off "cable Projector"

    The startup recipe of "cable TV" should look something like this:

    • Power on Projector
    • Power on AVR
    • Power on "cable projector"
    • Wait
    • Change Input of TV
    • Change input of AVR
    • Power Off TV
    • Show "cable Projector" controlls
    • Use AVR for volume controll

    Power off:

    • Power off Projector
    • Power off AVR
    • Power off "cable TV"
    • Power off "cable Projector"

     

    Option 1b

    This one works more or less the same as in 1a but uses the actual cable box driver and a dummy driver. this way you only have to maintain your channels once. and have one shortcut pages oppose to two seperate. and gives you the option to chose any icon you like.  In this example you only use the device "cable TV" and use the DUMMY as a piggy bag. You'll notice that i say turn it on because then it's shown in the activity on your home screen. 

    Also here if all is turned off then you can chose either one of the recipies. when you want to switch just press the home button and select the other recipe.

    Install the cable box driver 1x and names it for instance "cable TV". then add a dummy device  (search dor DUMMY and chose any of them you like) then name it "cable Projector"

     

    The startup recipe of "cable TV" should look something like this:

    • Power on TV
    • Power on AVR
    • Power on "cable TV"
    • Wait
    • Change Input of TV
    • Change input of AVR
    • Power Off Projectior
    • Show "cable TV" controlls
    • Use AVR for volume controll

    Power off:

    • Power off TV
    • Power off AVR
    • Power off "cable TV"
    • Power off "cable Projector"

    The startup recipe of "cable TV" should look something like this:

    • Power on Projector
    • Power on AVR
    • Power on "cable TV"
    • Power on "cable Projector"
    • Wait
    • Change Input of TV
    • Change input of AVR
    • Power Off TV
    • Show "cable TV" controlls
    • Use AVR for volume controll

    Power off:

    • Power off Projector
    • Power off AVR
    • Power off "cable TV"
    • Power off "cable Projector"

     

    Option 2

    This option requires you to allways start with TV or projector if you preffer. so you have one recipe but can switch TV and Projector in between.

    1. Setup your cablebox recipe to use your TV, just a normal configuration.
    2. now add a device and search for "NEEO virtual switch" and add it. Lets name it "Use Projector"
    3. Now go to recipies and use "create new recipe"
    4. select If Sensor value changes.
    5. select "Use Projector - power" (the virtual switch we added in step 2)
    6. select "Turns On"
    7. Now add steps to turn on the Projector and turn off the TV, and save the recipe.
    8. Now go to recipies and use "create new recipe"
    9. select If Sensor value changes.
    10. select "Use Projector - power" (the virtual switch we added in step 2)
    11. select "Turns Off"
    12. Now add steps to turn off the Projector and turn on the TV, and save the recipe.
    13. Start your cable recipe and add a shortcut and select the virtual switch that we named "Use Projector"
    14. In the power off recipe of the cable device add a new step, select the virtual switch that we named "Use Projector" and set the switch Power (Off).

    Now you should be able to use the switch do change the way you look at either TV or Projector.

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      • Fonzo
      • Fonzo
      • 3 mths ago
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      Niels de Klerk Jeff Ingrid Thank you very much for the detailed statement, I would like to see for such cases a manual created by NEEO how to set up such common things.

      For the moment I stay with the recommendation 1a.

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    • Fonzo 1b might be more fitting but that’s just trial and error I guess. If I want to test stuff then I’ll create a room test and all devices there needed for my test. This way I can experiment while leaving all other recipes intact. Or I make multiple test rooms to see what works best. If you do that make sure to start with everything turned off so your test is clean.

      Does that mean that 1a works well for you?

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      • Fonzo
      • Fonzo
      • 3 mths ago
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      Niels de Klerk 1a is at least a workarround but not what i would expect from these kind of remote. At the moment this is very unsatisfactory. Either you do everything with sdk drivers and an external system. The external system remembers all states and can switch devices accordingly. With the workarround you would send command every time, even though that is not necessary. So I hope that NEEO remembers states automatically otherwise you can not speak of a smart remote and that as soon as possible by a firmware update improved or adjusted.

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    • Fonzo NEEO knows the states. (Even with stupid devices it knows that by using CEC, something that’s unique in the market as far as I know) 

      then you can better use solution 2. That’s only switching the output.

      You can even use 1b and add Solution 2 in the mix. This way you can chose what to start with and switch states in between.

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  • This is a lot of work and I'm not seeing where switching from watching a movie (TV, AVR, Blu-ray player) to go DIRECTLY to watching cable/satellite without my OLED TV turning off then turning back on again.  I don't want the TV to turn off.  I just want the input changed and the cable box powered on while unused items are shutdown.

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