Telus Optik Cisco ISB7105 ISB7150
Helloooo Neeo! How's everybody doing?! Well rested I hope. ;)
First off, congratulations on the major milestone of finally shipping! I have been following since the beginning and I have to say the causes of delay were exactly the types of things that made me fall in love with the product in the first place. Mainly, commitment to build quality and open architecture. Would I have liked to get my Neeo a long time ago? Yes. But I'd also like a pony and a little red wagon. Now at least I have one out of three.
So, I've updated to firmware 0.45, and added my TV, set top box and AVR.
My (Telus Optik) set top box (Cisco ISB7105) doesn't turn on when I run the recipe. Then, if I power off the recipe, the TV and AVR turn off, and the set top box turns on. If I run the recipe a second time, the set top box remains on. I'm guessing this might be related to stupid devices and toggling, but I'm not really sure what the correct solution is. Is this something I have to do a work around for, or can you update the ISB7105?
Edward Zwart Thanks a lot for the good feedback, the whole team appreciates that 👍
I will have the device driver team check on the command set for this device. While it sounds a bit like being related to stupid devices, that still is not how it should behave.
Ar you using the automatically created recipes, did you edit any of these? Especially concerning the power commands or adding a power-toggle?
Please add "skip back" command to the 7105 ("Previous" on the 7150). I need to solve IR reception on the 7105 ... another day.
I've updated the title of this thread to reflect both Cisco devices: the DVR (wired) ISB7150 and the set top box (wireless) ISB7105. There is another post ( https://planet.neeo.com/t/18fgxb/yamaha-rx-v1800-cisco-isb7150-dvr ) that deals with the 7150, but I thought it made sense to combine them since I have both, and can offer a bit of a comparison/contrast. It's actually handy that I have one of each on a different brain. I look forward to multiple brains working together better in the future, but in the meantime, these two Cisco products are segregated nicely in my setup.
One minor difference between the two devices: the 7150 is labelled as "IPTV" and the 7105 as "Cable". These were both provided to me by my provider (Telus Optik). From reading Optik's support in the past, I am aware that different subscribers have different remotes. For the record, mine is the one on the left in the attached image (I think there's a third one too).
In my living room setup (7105) I have some very odd sporadic results. First, some buttons only appear to work the 2nd time I try them. I should point out, I'm testing commands but editing a recipe and adding a command and hitting test. It's a bit cumbersome, but it works. I also noticed that Cursor Down (or other directions) worked the first time, but Cursor Enter only after a couple tries, but that was sporadic. Sometimes it didn't work at all.
Command set differences. No Power On/Off for the 7150 (only Power Toggle). The 7105 does have Power On/Off (and Toggle) but they do not work well. Power On seems not to work at all, and Power Off seems to do what Power Toggle does. Also, with Power Off, I would see a zero on screen (as though I had hit the Digit 0 button) just before the power actually goes off.
Playback... On the 7105 I noticed that no buttons work during playback. I could (clumsily) get a recording to start playing using the cursor commands, but once it was playing, I couldn't pause it, or skip, etc. Even Power Off stopped working altogether.
The buttons on the 7150, however, worked fine during playback (on the other brain).
So, it occurred to me to try adding the 7150 to my living room brain and try its commands on the 7105 (leveraging the brains', ahem, stupidity for just a moment). ;) Anyway, I had similar sporadic results. But the buttons did work sometimes during playback.
Then it occurred to me that maybe it was my own stupidity that was the problem. Maybe the 7105 is just having trouble receiving my living room brain's IR signal. I mean, they already were in direct line of sight. The 7105 was on a shelf under the TV about 12" above the floor, and the brain was on a side table, about 10' away (6' forward, 8' to one side). But I arranged them even more directly pointed at each other. Lo and behold, I did see an improvement in the number of commands that worked. (btw "not working" = "nothing happens"). So then I plugged in the repeater, and positioned it 6" in front of the 7105, and boom, all commands started working.
Nice. At least we know its not the driver. However, I will want to figure out how to make the brain work from 10' away at some point! That's for another day... I would like to point out that the 7105 doesn't have a "skip back" command ("Previous" on the 7150) but should. Can that be added? Looking at the command sets for these two devices, I see some differences (eg, My Recordings vs Menu Dvr). Not sure how much effort you want to "clean up" issues like that... I can't imagine that's very high priority right now. It certainly isn't for me. It might be useful to let us alias commands at some point.
I did do some of the later steps in my long debug session after I started writing this. I considered shortening the post, but I thought it might be useful for some reader at some point in the future...
- Need power toggle screen for 7105 added
- Need "now active" to appear for edited device recipes
- The initial power on for this device's recipe continues to fail
- There is no power toggle page in the "active recipe" view (ie, where the shortcuts, favorites and controls are, what is this area called?)
So I tried the following: I changed POWER ON to POWER TOGGLE in the "Launched" section, because for me *most* times the cable box is already off. I may as well assume that it needs to be toggled, and if I'm wrong, then correct it (except I can't until we get that power toggle in). However, this edit comes with an unexpected side effect. The "now active" bar on the home screen no longer appears. So, if I navigate away from the controls area (ie, click the left arrow, for example, to go to the home screen so I can get to the main app settings -- too many clicks!) ... anyway, having done that, and with no "now active" bar, the only way I can get back to the recipe controls is to re-run the recipe. ... which toggles the cable box.
I don't understand why the "now active" for this device recipe doesn't appear if I edit POWER ON to POWER TOGGLE. Device recipes are already divided into "Launched" and "Powered off". The recipe knows which is which, and shouldn't care what the internal steps are.